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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 15:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 15:14:29 GMT -5
Ok fellas so bought a 98 honda elite-S today to add to the collection. The bike starts and idles perfect revs good on stand but under load it is a pure turd lol. It bogs and and when it finally does rev up it take about 40 sec to hit15mph lol help me fellas this iis my first 2t
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 15:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 15:29:06 GMT -5
Also I should prob add that the bike sat in a barn for a long period of time without use so needed fresh gas and oil and fired right up.
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by: alleyoop - Mar 28, 2014 15:43:03 GMT -5
Post by alleyoop on Mar 28, 2014 15:43:03 GMT -5
That scoot comes restricted so here is the poop on it. Alleyoop
The Elite S was restricted via a washer behind the variator, a smaller main jet and a highly restrictive exhaust. If you are going to de-restrict one, you should also know that the restricted Honda-Elite-SR-S-USA version has a different throttle cable that does NOT open the oil pump like the full speed version. Accordingly, the oil pump just runs at the set idle level at all times. If you derestrict yours, you can either run premix, replace the throttle cable with the regular version cable that ‘Y’s to open the oil pump or you can zip tie the oil pump to the wide open position and raise your emissions and oil bill a bit.
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 16:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 16:07:23 GMT -5
That scoot comes restricted so here is the poop on it. Alleyoop The Elite S was restricted via a washer behind the variator, a smaller main jet and a highly restrictive exhaust. If you are going to de-restrict one, you should also know that the restricted Honda-Elite-SR-S-USA version has a different throttle cable that does NOT open the oil pump like the full speed version. Accordingly, the oil pump just runs at the set idle level at all times. If you derestrict yours, you can either run premix, replace the throttle cable with the regular version cable that ‘Y’s to open the oil pump or you can zip tie the oil pump to the wide open position and raise your emissions and oil bill a bit. would the washer and other restrictions cause it to do 15mph though? It will not got a touch over 15mph lol when I say its a turd I mean it lol
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Post by PCBGY6 on Mar 28, 2014 16:16:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure on that model scooter but I bought a Chinese scoot last year that sat in a garage for a few years. The Cdi was bad and would only allow me to get up to about 17mph. As a said though I'm not familiar with the old Hondas much. I had a spree but didn't like working on it and sold it.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 28, 2014 16:58:13 GMT -5
That scoot comes restricted so here is the poop on it. Alleyoop The Elite S was restricted via a washer behind the variator, a smaller main jet and a highly restrictive exhaust. If you are going to de-restrict one, you should also know that the restricted Honda-Elite-SR-S-USA version has a different throttle cable that does NOT open the oil pump like the full speed version. Accordingly, the oil pump just runs at the set idle level at all times. If you derestrict yours, you can either run premix, replace the throttle cable with the regular version cable that ‘Y’s to open the oil pump or you can zip tie the oil pump to the wide open position and raise your emissions and oil bill a bit. would the washer and other restrictions cause it to do 15mph though? It will not got a touch over 15mph lol when I say its a turd I mean it lol Check it out and find out, restricted it should do close to 30mph so first take the Variator off and see if it has a washer then check the weights, they may be flat as a pan cake. Being that old it could also be the belt all worn down .How are the RPMS when your riding it do they rise up nice and high or not. If not did you clean out the Air Filter and adjust the carb, running RICH it will loose a lot of power. Also is it smoking a lot or just some smoke. To much oil and you will also loose power. How about a Video running it. Alleyoop
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 19:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 19:32:18 GMT -5
would the washer and other restrictions cause it to do 15mph though? It will not got a touch over 15mph lol when I say its a turd I mean it lol Check it out and find out, restricted it should do close to 30mph so first take the Variator off and see if it has a washer then check the weights, they may be flat as a pan cake. Being that old it could also be the belt all worn down .How are the RPMS when your riding it do they rise up nice and high or not. If not did you clean out the Air Filter and adjust the carb, running RICH it will loose a lot of power. Also is it smoking a lot or just some smoke. To much oil and you will also loose power. How about a Video running it. Alleyoop ill get a video after work tomorrow afternoon. It seems to rev fine good and smooth it just has no power It is by far the slowest thing I think I have ever rode on lol my mower on rabbit would murder this scooter haha all kinds of sound and no go.
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 19:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 19:34:39 GMT -5
Also I looked behind the variator and there is a washer looking piece back there, but its none removable. it seems to be part of the crank ill snap a picture of it also tomorrow.
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by: alleyoop - Mar 28, 2014 20:23:04 GMT -5
Post by alleyoop on Mar 28, 2014 20:23:04 GMT -5
Does it look like this between the fan and variator? If so you need to buy a unrestricted Boss. Alleyoop Unrestricted Boss:
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 20:41:05 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 20:41:05 GMT -5
Does it look like this between the fan and variator? If so you need to buy a unrestricted Boss. Alleyoop Unrestricted Boss: no its on the opposite side its on the side with the slide plate and it part of the crank shaft itself its it sits right in front of the crank seal.
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by: skuttadawg - Mar 28, 2014 20:44:39 GMT -5
Post by skuttadawg on Mar 28, 2014 20:44:39 GMT -5
I would think the weights and belt are worn out too . I would do a compression test as being that old it may need new rings .
My buddys Elite takes off like a forklift very fast then slows down around 20 and tops at 30 . It is stock . I put 1.5k clutch springs in my 2T and wow takeoff was so much better as the springs engage 1.5k higher of RPMs than the stock ones . I had an Elite when I was young and it had more pep than my Tomos Bullets ( pedal mopeds ) , same top end but it went faster uphill .
I later bought a hot rod Spree with a 90cc engine man it was a beast . I never had a single issue not even a bulb going out .
Take a look at the clutch pads to see if they are worn or glazed up . With a 2T I always prefer to run rich than dead on it . A tuned pipe , upjetting or larger carb can do wonders once you get the jetting dialed in . Hondas usually have a Mikuni oil pump which should last forever . Just hope the oil tank does not leak as they will crack with age . I had Honda Express , Urban Express and Yamaha Towney and never had any problems other than tires wearing out . The rest of my moped collection were the pedal types like Tomos , Puch , Garreli and Motobecane which were premix of 50 to 1 or 3oz per gallon . A new NGK sparkplug can also do wonders . I opt to get the NGK iridiums as they fire better and not as likely to get fouled out by oil build up . The weed eater oil can do this as well as smoke all the time . The synthetic blend and full synthetics smoke at start up as hardly to none once warm and less likely to foul the plug as the cheap oils .
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 20:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 20:50:11 GMT -5
Snapped a pic this is the variator shaft notice the washer piece in front ob the crank seal.
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 20:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 20:56:33 GMT -5
I would think the weights and belt are worn out too . I would do a compression test as being that old it may need new rings . My buddys Elite takes off like a forklift very fast then slows down around 20 and tops at 30 . It is stock . I put 1.5k clutch springs in my 2T and wow takeoff was so much better as the springs engage 1.5k higher of RPMs than the stock ones . I had an Elite when I was young and it had more pep than my Tomos Bullets ( pedal mopeds ) , same top end but it went faster uphill . I later bought a hot rod Spree with a 90cc engine man it was a beast . I never had a single issue not even a bulb going out . Take a look at the clutch pads to see if they are worn or glazed up . With a 2T I always prefer to run rich than dead on it . A tuned pipe , upjetting or larger carb can do wonders once you get the jetting dialed in . Hondas usually have a Mikuni oil pump which should last forever . Just hope the oil tank does not leak as they will crack with age . I had Honda Express , Urban Express and Yamaha Towney and never had any problems other than tires wearing out . The rest of my moped collection were the pedal types like Tomos , Puch , Garreli and Motobecane which were premix of 50 to 1 or 3oz per gallon . A new NGK sparkplug can also do wonders . I opt to get the NGK iridiums as they fire better and not as likely to get fouled out by oil build up . The weed eater oil can do this as well as smoke all the time . The synthetic blend and full synthetics smoke at start up as hardly to none once warm and less likely to foul the plug as the cheap oils . just ordered a belt I was also thinking it might be stretched do to age. But the thing that kills me is it sounds good and revs high on center stand but then if I hold the back break and gun it it bogs and gets no revs at all like it has no power.
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by: skuttadawg - Mar 28, 2014 21:10:30 GMT -5
Post by skuttadawg on Mar 28, 2014 21:10:30 GMT -5
It does not take as much power to spin the wheel while on the CS compared to propelling it . Remove the CVT , stand on the opposite side and rev it up a lil while on the CVT to see how it engages . Worn or missing ( they have been know to fall out on some ) will not allow the belt to get pushed out all the way
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by: chris5527 - Mar 28, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Mar 28, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
It does not take as much power to spin the wheel while on the CS compared to propelling it . Remove the CVT , stand on the opposite side and rev it up a lil while on the CVT to see how it engages . Worn or missing ( they have been know to fall out on some ) will not allow the belt to get pushed out all the way ill try that tomorrow but still dont understand why when I hold the break it just bogs out and has no power. I can hold the bike in one spot with ease with my feet at wot lol
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