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Post by Paladin on Nov 23, 2013 9:26:52 GMT -5
www.searcylaw.com/do-you-know/dyk-head-injury/•Millions of people suffer head injuries each year .... Note: They do not even mention motorcycles. Very few people wear helmets when driving their car. In 1952 I was walking across a street when a car hit me and threw me 100 feet landing on my head. I was not wearing a helmet while I was walking. In 1965 I had a collision, injuries in the jaw and top of my head -- jaw hit the steering wheel, head pivoted for the top of the head into the windscreen. I was in an Austin Sprite, *not* wearing a full face helmet. I still do not drive without wearing a helmet, even though race drivers *always* wear helmets. Do *YOU* wear a helmet when you drive? Or do you prefer the comfort of no helmet while driving? What is the difference with the comfort of riding a motorcycle?
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 23, 2013 10:10:29 GMT -5
'digit, I do NOT want to ever meet the bird that can fly in the upper stratosphere! Although I know a guy who would catch and obliterate that space-bird if it dropped doo on his drum set!
*****
Paladin, to me the diff between driving a car and bike is a ton or so of steel and impact-resistent glass surrounding me with the car, plus the seatbelt keeping me in place, plus the airbag that yes will bruise me but will also keep me from breaking my face against the steering wheel. Plus, there's already too much restricting my vision in a car. Compare a helmet with the seatbelt and the side frames and door frames, vs open air on a bike.
And the diff between me as a driver vs racecar drivers is at least a hundred mph. Others' differences may vary.
Post whatever mocking "oh I was walking and not wearing a helmet and tripped and got hurt" comments you want. You won't change my feelings that 1) helmets save skin and 2) IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO WEAR PROTECTION OR NOT, yet 3) I shall continue to preach wearing helmets and gloves and jacket and pants and boots.
Then again, I also scold my friends and coworkers for smoking. Like I said, I care about people. I hate people getting hurt if it was preventable. And mocking will never change that.
You know what, never mind.
>'Kat, wishing Ford or someone would create a car that's all some kind of unbreakable safety glass for the top half
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 23, 2013 14:32:05 GMT -5
Oh oh, Now I'm in a fix... I agree with both Kat AND Paladin...  Does THAT make me a LIBERAL? Oh, NOOOOOO! Not THAT! Am I a living "oxymoron"... Or, like a black fellow wanting to join the Klan? Or a white guy joining the Black Panthers? As Vinnie Barbarino might say: "I'm SO confused..." No offense now, ONLY KIDDING!Paladin made his point with the Sprite... I well-remember THOSE... I drove one... You don't DRIVE a Sprite; you WEAR it... It's the only car I ever drove that made me feel much safer getting back on my Harley. (Of course, I never tried out an Isetta...) Unless you experienced the era of the sub-miniature Sprites and MG's, you don't know just how safe a scooter can REALLY feel... LOL! OK, I think like Kat, and feel like Paladin. I guess in America it's still OK to think the way you want to... At least for now.  But in my old age, I'll still "wuss-out" and wear a helmet... Ride safe, (if possible) but ride the way you enjoy! Leo in Texas PS: Just happened to think... If the aircraft-recorder "black-box" is indestructible why don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff? 
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Post by rockynv on Nov 24, 2013 12:45:33 GMT -5
I have heard the arguments against safety gear be it on a construction site, meat packing house, wood shop or on a motorcycle and the bottom line is in all those other venues you get a written notice of noncompliance for each of fence and on strike three you're out. If you get injured or killed after the first warning there is no coverage and you family is stuck with the consequences. Be it hard hats, leather aprons with gloves and goggles or the chain mail chest and loin covering in the packing house they save lives. In the packing house we had one hard case that did not want to wear the loin protection so that when he slipped with a cleaver it went through the major arteries the loin covering was designed to protect so the widow received no death benefit nor was the ambulance or ER bill paid for her. That is the price of freedom. If you want to flaunt reasonable best practice that's fine however you should pay the consequences out of pocket that is you own not mine or the insurance companies.
When culpability automatically falls on the one refusing to follow established best practice regarding proper riding attire then fine let people choose if the want to chance paying the consequences out of their own pockets
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 24, 2013 17:41:22 GMT -5
www.searcylaw.com/do-you-know/dyk-head-injury/•Millions of people suffer head injuries each year .... Note: They do not even mention motorcycles. Very few people wear helmets when driving their car. In 1952 I was walking across a street when a car hit me and threw me 100 feet landing on my head. I was not wearing a helmet while I was walking. In 1965 I had a collision, injuries in the jaw and top of my head -- jaw hit the steering wheel, head pivoted for the top of the head into the windscreen. I was in an Austin Sprite, *not* wearing a full face helmet. I still do not drive without wearing a helmet, even though race drivers *always* wear helmets. Do *YOU* wear a helmet when you drive? Or do you prefer the comfort of no helmet while driving? What is the difference with the comfort of riding a motorcycle? The difference? Mostly: I have a seat belt and an airbag when I drive my Dakota! My sister got clipped last year...15MPH at a light. Her helmet (high-end Shoei, I think a modular) was broken into two pieces when she fell into a K-rail. Her knee was pretty banged up, but she has, aside from the knee scar, fully recovered. Without the helmet, she'd almost certainly be dead. |
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Post by danno on Nov 24, 2013 20:33:47 GMT -5
Personally, I think its one of the most selfish things a person can do. “I love riding without a helmet. I feel the breeze, feel and breathe the cool fresh air.”Why should you care for the many years following your accident you didn’t plan on having, left your family with the responsibility of wiping your butt hole and feeding you baby food, just because you wanted to “feel the breeze” . Not even a half helmet would of helped this guy....  |
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Post by shalomdawg on Nov 24, 2013 22:39:02 GMT -5
howdy there , interesting discussion of concussion. like others here I went down at 10 mph or so and have scrape marks on my full face helmet to prove it. I remember the side of the helmet hitting the pavement and that would have been my head. I doubt that would have been without injury. anyway, I also, like oldchopperguy, remember having a mg midget and feeling somewhat vulnerable with feeling so low that the brown stripe on the center of the lane might not be oil---lol. I went on a 360 tour of a snow covered corner with the top down and my skis riding mostly outside cause there was no room in there with the top up. how do we live to get so old and grey?
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
ken
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Post by Paladin on Nov 25, 2013 7:41:16 GMT -5
Personally, I think its one of the most selfish things a person can do.... Hot Flash! You are going to die. Really! All you can do is enjoy life while you can. The most selfish thing a person can do is force people to continue living. When in 1992 California they passed the mandatory helmet law, and 40% of motorcyclists quit riding -- it was not worth riding if they cannot feel the breeze, feel and breathe the cool fresh air. You may enjoy riding with a four pound helmet, I do not. I am currently NOT enjoying riding, but it is better than being locked up in a cage. Life is enjoyable when I cross the State line and can get rid of the damn helmet. |
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Post by danno on Nov 25, 2013 10:48:18 GMT -5
Personally, I think its one of the most selfish things a person can do.... Hot Flash! You are going to die. Really! All you can do is enjoy life while you can. The most selfish thing a person can do is force people to continue living. When in 1992 California they passed the mandatory helmet law, and 40% of motorcyclists quit riding -- it was not worth riding if they cannot feel the breeze, feel and breathe the cool fresh air. You may enjoy riding with a four pound helmet, I do not. I am currently NOT enjoying riding, but it is better than being locked up in a cage. Life is enjoyable when I cross the State line and can get rid of the damn helmet. I'm not about forcing people to do anything. I'm not a government restrictions guy....Freedom means less government intrusion. My comment had nothing to do with the word "force". My comment had to do with the word "selfish." It's not about you. It's the people who truly care about you who are the most affected. For example, many people decide to stop smoking or lose weight in order to get in better health. They do this not because they don't enjoy smoking or eating,....they do! They're willing to make the sacrifice of their own feelings and put the feelings of their loved ones ahead of their own. I admit, I don't know your case individually, But, most people who choose not to wear a helmet its safe to say they're making their loved ones more worried about them as they choose to place their own safety at more risk, and care less about their loved ones feelings. Why should they/you care about the feelings of their loved ones? The "breeze" is more important. If they're forced to take care of you/them for the many years following the accident they/you didn’t plan on having, that's just the risk they'll going to have to live with. The fact that they/you show them you don't care about their feelings that they might one day be left with wiping your butt hole and feeding you baby food. Imo it's extremely selfish thinking. It has nothing at all to do with being "forced" to wear a helmet. Just my 2 cents |
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Post by danno on Nov 25, 2013 10:56:45 GMT -5
"Hot Flash! You are going to die. Really! All you can do is enjoy life while you can"
...and its very likely that many of the people who have died would still be around enjoying life, if they'd been wearing a helmet.
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Post by loganhes on Nov 25, 2013 13:45:42 GMT -5
Q: What do you call a scooter or motorcycle rider who doesn't wear a helmet?
A: An organ donor
Seriously though...there is an ongoing rumor / feeling here in Pennsylvania that the reason that the state repealed the helmet law is because they were running out of organ donors. I don't know if there is any truth to this, but it sure does make you think.
--Jim
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Post by oldchopperguy on Nov 26, 2013 3:10:55 GMT -5
OK guyz n' galz...
We all know some of us want to ride sans-helmet, and some want to be encased in Kryptonite... LOL! So here's a non-related story I think Paladin will get a chuckle out of...
Back in my youth (I think around 1964 or so) I was living in the Chicago suburbs where I was born. Illinois passed a mandatory helmet law. (Some of the state lawmakers had major stock-ownership in Bell, and other helmet makers). Surely just a coincidence... Anyway, an unhappy rider was stopped by Illinois' finest for wearing his helmet ON HIS KNEE... The officer forced him to put it ON HIS HEAD.
Fast-forward an hour or so. The rider had an accident, BREAKING HIS KNEE... He sued the state, saying if the helmet was on his KNEE as he preferred to wear it, the knee would not have been broken.
Doggone if he didn't bring a battery of doctors, surgeons and lawyers to back him up. Short story, HE WON THE CASE. The helmet law was repealed shortly thereafter.
After seeing my pal killed in a 2mph face-plant, I still wore my helmet (on my head... Silly me...). So... however you like to ride, enjoy the ride!
And, ride as safe as possible in the process!
Leo in Texas
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Post by jdmsoldier on Nov 26, 2013 4:39:07 GMT -5
I was walking down the street one day, also without helmet, and fire proof vest, and it turned out in my disadvantage. Some bird, flying high in the stratosphere, shitted a droplet through the atmosphere, and as it was entering the atmosphere it accelerated in speed, caught fire, and hardened, and fell on my head. Immediately I knew my life was ruined! Oh, if I had only wore a helmet that day, and a fireproof vest, I would not have to care about bird droppings falling from outer space, hitting my head, catching my clothes on fire! Now I make sure. This is how I do my daily walk in the park:  It's radioactive proof as well! that was so effing hilarious i couldnt stop laughing ahaha. PS i like oldchopperguys stories also. I dont want a bigger helmet the thing looks big on me already i look like im wearing a fish bowl. i wonder if it looks that way and the size is bigger cause they built in a drop down/up shade system inside. I measured my head before i bought it, and the size chart just about matched. When I first got it i had to break it in, i had the painful ear syndrome. I guess i should just sell it on CL, then use the money to go buy another one. I guess you guys made some points like road rash and impact. You guys made me feel scared straight so i guess its a helmet no matter how short the trip. What do you guys think about not tying the strap /locking strap? The helmet is kinda hard to rip off my head, i dont think it would roll off if something happened, i dunno never heard stories of something like that. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 26, 2013 7:53:00 GMT -5
soldier, I agree that you should maybe look at selling it on CL and getting a different one. Helmets are designed for a head shape. So just because the size is right doesn't mean the shape is. Yours might be for a round head while your head is more oval. I know my helmet would press on the "high" point of my forehead after 30 minutes. I asked my MSF coaches, then shaved off a little of the styro. And got a doo-rag which not only gave that little bit of padding but also helps keep the inside cleaner.
If there's a bike shop, I'd suggest go check out their helmets. If the prices are reasonably close to online, then try on several different ones. Wear them around the shop for a bit--don't just put them on, shake your head, and decide "Yeah this one's good." And buy it there--both the courteous and right thing to do after trying on their stock, plus it helps keep that store open for when you need something else, or help.
As for wearing it without latching, I know that's totally not recommended. But sounds like yours has a terrible system. Can you add some cushioning to the straps to make them better?
Glad you're thinking safe! Now we just need to figure how to get your comfortable.
>'Kat
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Post by americanpsycho on Nov 27, 2013 8:11:45 GMT -5
www.searcylaw.com/do-you-know/dyk-head-injury/•Millions of people suffer head injuries each year .... Note: They do not even mention motorcycles. Very few people wear helmets when driving their car. In 1965 I had a collision, injuries in the jaw and top of my head -- jaw hit the steering wheel, head pivoted for the top of the head into the windscreen. I was in an Austin Sprite, *not* wearing a full face helmet. I still do not drive without wearing a helmet, even though race drivers *always* wear helmets. That's how a guy recently got busted for a brutal crime not far from me. He thought he could disguise himself by wearing a helmet while driving a car around. That drew attention to him. I'd have to go back to see what exactly he was arrested for. |
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