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Post by mopojo on Oct 16, 2013 19:14:44 GMT -5
I have a 2012 Dash 50 (stock) with about 7,000 miles +/-. I need a little more power and was wondering if upgrading to the 44mm displacement will make any noticeable difference. The bike runs a bit rich and the carb air/fuel mixture is not adjustable. My buddy rides behind me sometimes and says he can smell the gas. I do not need a rocket and do not want to stress the low-end unduly. Is this enough to help with hills and windage? Again, I am fine with the 30 mph or so; just need a little push. Also; if the carb is running rich, would it be ok to not up-jet? Any thoughts or advice is welcome and appreciated. Thanks, mopojo
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Post by rae4180 on Oct 16, 2013 20:20:48 GMT -5
what you wana do is go with a 82 jet and open air filter and make sure you tune the idle jet by seeing how the scoot runs. back the idle screw all the way in then out 1.5 times around out.take the scoot for a little ride if it seems like it needs more gas back the idle screw out a .5 times at a time but no more then 2.5 times all together. And also check what kind of cdi box you are useing to see how to make it work at fast rev.you may have to just pull the green wire some needs the box cut.some needs nothing.and also see what kind of drive boss you are useing and rollers. if done right you should get 40 to 45 out of your scoot easy.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 16, 2013 20:33:16 GMT -5
If you are running rich and don't want to buy a carb you can adjust the mixture on you will need to go down in jet size. I don't suggest cutting any wires on the cdi at all. You may be able to change your weights and get the extra power you are looking for. You have to look and see what you have now so you can decide that. A lot of guys like the 5 gram sliders and end up gaining a little take off and top end speed. I would also check the belt to see how worn it is. If you're only wanting 30 out of it then that can be done without putting a bbk in. Also you're not going to get 40-45 from a scooter that has stock 39mm piston and stock gears, at least not on the gy6 50cc. That's a urban legend that we all keep hearing about. You would have a better chance of meeting the Easter Bunny in person.
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Post by mopojo on Oct 16, 2013 22:07:50 GMT -5
The bike (49cc) actually runs fine: 30-35 mph @ 7 - 8,000 rpm. So instead of a larger displacement needing more gas; less is called for? I just wanted to install this and run.... lol Isn't it just a replacement part for the 49cc gy6? Thanks
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 16, 2013 22:21:27 GMT -5
If you are stock and the scooter is running rich then you want less gas.
If you're going to go with a bbk i would go with a airsal 50mm. They are highly recommended by a lot of people here and run good with a stock head. I would also invest in a carb that can be tuned. You will never get the air/fuel ratio correct with a sealed carb.
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Post by larry001964 on Oct 16, 2013 22:58:16 GMT -5
Hi Mopojo If all your wanting is power to climb hills and help maintain your speed against wind resistance.. I would recommend a 72cc bbk or 47 mm, you can also do an 83cc or 50mm bbk, you will need a little heaver rollers in your variator, and as others have said, get a new carb, that you can adjust, and upjet it to about .. I don't recommend cutting any of your wiring on your CDI, Instead if you find it cutting out as you start hitting top rpms and speed, get a different CDI they are cheap... Some CDI's limit your speed by grounding out your engine to the bike's frame when your RPM's reach a certain point, the wire he was talking about cutting will prevent the CDI from grounding out to the frame, and on some bikes your ignition shuts off the bike that way. So that's why it's not recommended.. I know you are not looking to go faster, but in adding power to get you up hills and deal with wind resistance more speed will be the by product as your variator is probably not opening up completely because your engine lacks the power to do so, or your engine simply don't have the torque to push against your weight, road and wind resistance..
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Post by mopojo on Oct 19, 2013 8:32:04 GMT -5
I ordered the part(s). Looks to be about 10 days fro shipment.... I will keep the thread updated as to how I get on. Thanks for all the input and I am shopping for the adjustable carb. mopojo
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Oct 19, 2013 21:56:32 GMT -5
My unmodded 2012 Tao Tao Cy50-A went 40-45. Only full 45 down slight hill.
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Post by alleyoop on Oct 19, 2013 22:08:29 GMT -5
Just remember the speedo on those 10" inch wheels are off by at least 20% those scoots only will do 30-35. Alleyoop
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Post by mopojo on Oct 29, 2013 11:46:35 GMT -5
Installed the parts this morning (2 hours) and it runs great. I have only put 20 miles on it but so far so good. I will leave the rest stock unless there arises problems. Thanks for all input.
I checked GPS and it was doing 30 mph @ 8,000 RPM. The speedometer is not accurate on most of these bike.... I will check speeds with the 44mm kit later.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 29, 2013 12:03:12 GMT -5
Now that you have the bbk you may want to get some scrappy gears to gain another 5-6 mph. With my bbk and gears I'm getting a top speed of about 44 when I push it. It will run 40 without pushing.
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Post by sailracer on Oct 29, 2013 12:08:18 GMT -5
You will not gain any top end speed with a BBK alone. Just more torque. To gain speed, you need to experiment with the variator and gearing.I find that 5 gram sliders,and 16/50 gears work very well. Plenty of Off-the-line power, really good improvement in uphill performance,and good cruising speeds 40-45 without WOT all the time.Also 39mm is the stock bore. If you want a good BBK, go with a 50mm.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 29, 2013 12:14:52 GMT -5
I was lucky and gained speed just from my bbk (before adding gears). The reason why is because I weigh 250 and the stock weak motor would not pull my weigh. It didn't have the power to get the belt up any higher on the variator. Playing with the weights would have also helped with that issue but I had bbk stuck in my head at the time.
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Post by millsc on Oct 29, 2013 12:29:15 GMT -5
I say go big or not at all the 44mm kit isn't much better than stock 63cc isn't enough to pull hills. The 50mm airsal with stock head is the way to go but still wasn't enough for me is why I got a 150. It is the perfect in town rider can ride 1/4 throttle in town and get on it and blow by cars. A 50 with an airsal is adequate for town riding and hills and is safer since you can accelerate away from danger. The big bore kits don't increase top speed by much you have change the gearing and weights after you up the displacement to see bigger gains. Most kits on 50s just increase acceleration and hill climb without a gear upgrade. I don't recommend a gear upgrade on a 44mm kit not enough power to pull the taller gear.
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Post by mopojo on Oct 29, 2013 18:19:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I chose the 44mm kit as i just wanted a little more power. I am a bit concerned that the 50mm will stress the rest of the engine unduly. I wanted the bike to stay above 6,000 RPM (out of "binding" range) uphill with wife on (300+ lbs. total) and it works. Better than I expected. Giving her a ride home today, she says there is a big difference.(what does she know?=LOLz). I just hope the bike remains stable and lasts for a while. Cops tend to want to stop you here if you are doing over 25-30 on these scoots: I ride without a tag, too. Highway department says they don't issue tags or register them (49cc scoots); thats ok with me....
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