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Post by thxone on Oct 14, 2013 14:21:43 GMT -5
Ok, I put the snorkel back in... it did not help so I stopped by the scooter dealers shop... they found the problem. The intake elbow from the carb to the head was cracked! The mechanic replaced it and tried to say I owed $20... I said no thanks, it's under warranty. Glad I got the warranty lol. Anyway, I took the restrictor back out, readjusted the idle after it was warmed up real good and the scooter is doing great! No more bogging at ALL when I very quickly wrap the throttle and let off or when I gas it good and lock up the back brake... it just comes right back to idle and does it quick and smooth. Now I can finish my mods.
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Post by prodigit on Oct 14, 2013 17:40:08 GMT -5
the optimal thing would require you to test different jet sizes, whenever you have installed a freeflow air intake. Eg: when the engine is warm, and your top speed is 45MPH with (just an example) an 80 jet size, and you put a in it, and you're still at 45MPH, you might want to try a size . I don't know the best sizes for the 63cc carbs, but I know they're not far away from the stock jet sizes. You could also drill them out with a tiny drill, to barely anything larger than they are right now.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 14, 2013 18:46:42 GMT -5
I would just bye a jet kit. Why mess up a jet by drilling it out. They have kits that include a varity of jet sizes at partsforscooters.com
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Post by prodigit on Oct 14, 2013 19:16:59 GMT -5
I'm just offering options. You could buy a kit, or drill it out; just as long as you don't drill away too much.
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Post by thxone on Oct 15, 2013 13:00:40 GMT -5
I'm just offering options. You could buy a kit, or drill it out; just as long as you don't drill away too much. Where would I get a jet kit for a Keihin carb? How do I know what model carb I have?
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Post by thxone on Oct 16, 2013 15:33:37 GMT -5
Took out the needle in the carb and moved the washer to the last bottom notch... it was on the notch just above it so I only moved it one... haven't really noticed much difference yet.
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Post by pgs on Oct 16, 2013 15:57:11 GMT -5
nice scooter
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Post by thxone on Oct 16, 2013 18:47:49 GMT -5
Thanks PGS Ok, so I finally took it for a ride after changing the clip on the needle, On my gps it looks to be 3mph gained on flat ground WOT. I am very pleased as it only took 10 minutes to do. On the down side, I have issues still with the scooter bogging at lights or shutting off. It starts right back up but it's annoying. I fully believe my main jet is fine but I am not so sure about whatever controls the fuel when I come to a stop. Sometimes it bogs down and slowly comes back up in rpm's to the right idle speed. Take a look at my plug, this is after a WOT ride for 15 min and I pulled the plug. What do you see?
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Post by prodigit on Oct 17, 2013 11:54:34 GMT -5
Rich. You could possibly be running rich.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.. Try smelling the exhaust at idle, if it smells to unburned gasoline, it's running rich (at idle), and needs an AF screw adjustment.
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Post by thxone on Oct 17, 2013 15:51:32 GMT -5
When it's cold and I first start it, it slightly smells of gas out of the tail pipe for like 15-30 seconds, then it smells perfectly fine. Should I go the other way with the clip on the needle?
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Post by prodigit on Oct 18, 2013 0:41:05 GMT -5
That's because at cold the enricher richens the mixture. Perfectly normal. Put the needle clip where you get most top speed.
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Post by thxone on Oct 18, 2013 0:44:41 GMT -5
Well it seems good where it is but I will move it two slots down tomorrow and see if it adversely affects it.
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Post by thxone on Oct 18, 2013 18:10:00 GMT -5
@^#^$(*(#)@*&$!!!!!!!!! UGGGHHH!!!! Well I played with my scooter a lil bit today. Why do I mess with stuff? I decided to play with the needle clip, the air fuel mixture screw, the rollers and the idle. 1. I was only running three 6g weights, thought I was running 3-5g's and 3-9g's. I put in 3-7g weights and lost top end. I am going to try 3-5g's and see how it does. 2. A/F screw... turned it clockwise. (STUPID STUPID STUPID!!) I am about to put it back where it was and then 1/4 turn counter clockwise from that. Clockwise makes it bog real bad after its warmed up and I stop at a light. Lesson learned. 3. The needle clip. Back to the bottom. 4. Idle... I am getting pretty good at this one by ear. Idle is fine. 5. Carb is still leaking gas. Looks to be out of the remote drain hose at the bowl. Will fix tomorrow. Dig this... the scooter dealer said the Keihin carb was new... when I pulled it out of the intake, it lookes like someone did a crap job of boring out the carb. UGHH!!!
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Post by prodigit on Oct 19, 2013 0:22:10 GMT -5
If you do too many mods at a time, you won't know which mod is responsible for the change; eg: You modded the needle clip, and did the AF ratio change on the AF screw. Doing them both simultaneously might confuse you if the bike does not respond the way you want it to go. Better to do one at a time, test and set it to the best setting, then do the other mod, test and set it to optimal setting; then go back to the first mod, and see if the same setting still holds true; for instance:
If your bike was running lean in the mid range, you could benefit from upping the needle a bit, or you could change the AF screw, which in minimal ways also affect the mixture. Doing them both at the same time, may cause one's effects, to cancel out the other, or add to them, making the mixture possibly too rich... Just as example.
You lose top end with heavier rollers, because the engine goes into lower RPM, and does not have enough hp to overcome wind resistance at higher speeds. Chances are if you are able to improve engine performance the heavier rollers might work out perfect, and when changing them back to those that worked before, might not be the optimal setting when you are able to get more power out of the engine through mods.
Most common mods (in order of installation) are:
1- BBK installation, 2- Free flow air intake, unrestricted exhaust 3- carburetor rejetting, (and carburetor tuning) 4- Gear change, 5- performance variator (if necessary).
All the above mods are tuned to which ever BBK you install. The larger BBK you install, the more power the engine has, the larger diameter exhaust, and bigger the air intake filter can be, the bigger the jets the carburetor needs, the larger the gear change the bike will be able to accept for a higher top speed. With a gear change, chances are that a performance variator is not even necessary; as a performance variator is just an easier mod than a gear change mod, but in minor ways works out to the same end result (higher top speed).
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Post by thxone on Oct 19, 2013 2:13:14 GMT -5
Thanks prodigit, I actually messed up when I put the top cover to the carb back on... apparently the diaphragm was not sealed in the groove (slaps forehead) and it lost a lot of top end (normally indicated on the speedo of 48mph went down to 40mph, my speedo reads 4mph fast gps verified). What I did was put EVERYTHING back to the way it was except the needle. Back to 3 - 6g rollers, back to the NGK plug, idle, A/F screw... glad I marked it before I touched it. It is still bogging and shutting off at lights if I ride at WOT for a bit. I can keep it from shutting off if I keep on the gas until it levels out, then I can idle fine at the light. When I go to take off it goes gggg and then goes hard.
The bottom of the carb is still leaking and I have to assume it is causing an issue. I just want it to stop bogging and shutting off or at least know why and what so I can fix it. If this scooter topped out at 50mph I would be more than satisfied but I am way more concerned with how fast it gets there. I want 0 - 50mph in 7-9 seconds. This goal may very well have to be a well tuned 100cc BBK.
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