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Post by jrnyman on Sept 10, 2013 14:48:19 GMT -5
My scoot has developed a front end wobble that seems to be getting worse but I can't locate the cause of it. It isn't noticeable while accelerating, but once I reach a cruising speed I can feel a shake in the front end. It's more pronounced the lower the speed meaning I can barely feel it in the handlebars at say 55-60 mph but at 25-35 mph it's very noticeable. And at 10-15 mph if I take my hands off the handlebars it's like someone has grabbed them and started whipping them back and forth from left to right wildly from about -15 deg. to +15 deg off of center axis - does that make sense? Last night I was putting around the neighborhood and as I decelerated when I approached a stop sign I took my hands off the handlebars and it immediately began wobbling back and forth. I remember when I owned my Elite many years ago, I could ride with no hands and the bike would stay straight as an arrow. Any suggestions on what I can do to decrease this shaking/wobbling? I'm fairly concerned about it obviously and really don't want the wheel to suddenly come off.
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Steve
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Post by T150 on Sept 10, 2013 15:43:43 GMT -5
Might be a balance issue. U could take the rim to a motorcycle shop to balance it.
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Post by Kwagga on Sept 10, 2013 16:17:07 GMT -5
[replyingto=t150]T150[/replyingto]How often do you ride without your hands? Never good. Many scooters have a slight wobble, which I understand has something to do with its geometry. I recently read that it could be something loose, but my C5 has done that from new. Some have had success by simply checking tyre (Yes - that's how we spell tyre.) air pressure. When last did you check yours?
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Post by scootnwinn on Sept 10, 2013 16:36:02 GMT -5
Its your steering bearings most likely the assembly is not tightened. You asked for suggestions so I suggest you buy another Honda if you want smooth
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Post by jrnyman on Sept 10, 2013 18:16:23 GMT -5
How often do you ride without your hands? Pretty much never... due to the inability to twist the throttle with my mind - yet. Agreed, never good to ride without hands on the grips. Checked "tyre" pressure very first thing when I started to notice the wobble. After posting this, I did a bit more research and discovered I'm far, far from being in the minority of people who have this exact same issue. One thing that stood out and seemed to have a recurring presence is the serious problems with Kenda tires - which mine are. Thanks to everyone for the replies. Going to try/check everything suggested as well as replacing the tires with Michelins or Pirellis ASAP. Also going to learn more about adding the beads to help balance out the ride. Regards, Steve
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Post by pmatulew on Sept 10, 2013 19:04:21 GMT -5
Start with the easy stuff. Check the steering bearings and the front axle. Just have someone hold down the back end so the front is off the ground and then wiggle things around to see if anything is abnormal.
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 11, 2013 0:05:51 GMT -5
If it did not do this before you may have a loose nut on the triple tree as it is common for any nut or bolt to get loose on any two wheeler . Most come with crappy tires . My TaoTao had such a knot in the front tire that I did not get a 1/4 of a mile and I took it back and made them replace the front tire . My Echarm came with ChensShin ( sucky brand ) and it shimmied violently at high speeds . I got both wheels balanced and it was amazing how much smoother it was . I later replaced the crappy tires with Shinkos ( a decent brand ) and it no longer has a wobble effect . Before with the CS tires if I took a hand off of the grips it would wobble big time . Now it does not . The CS had a zig zag pattern in the middle plus they were V shaped instead U so only a small amount of the tire actually was making contact with the pavement . I had a Honda Spree that I could ride with no hands and not be worried . My TaoTao and Echarm not so . Now my Jonway Magnum with 130/60/13 doughnuts ( fat tires ) I can ride with no hands in a curve , not bothered by cracks , patches and other uneven road surfaces that effected the other two and even strong wind blowing from the side has no effect . The Magnum has the stock Duro tires with a street knobby design , unbalanced and has a mild knobby bounce like my minibike did that I had in the 80s . My Echarm wheels were balanced using this balancer with stick on weights www.harborfreight.com/motorcycle-wheel-balancing-stand-98488.htmlIf you have a CycleGear store nearby they mount and balance tires for 20 each if bought from them or 30 if you have your own tires . Note they do not R&R the wheels so you would have to take them off and reinstall yourself . CG has a high speed balancer .
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Post by sanmar on Sept 11, 2013 10:31:52 GMT -5
I had a vibration on my front end, and used Ride-On in my front tire, and that fixed most of it. I am still running on the tires that came with the scooter. I want to upgrade to some Michelins as soon as I can afford it!
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Post by scootnwinn on Sept 11, 2013 11:14:38 GMT -5
Wheel out of balance issues don't get better as speed increases and worse as it decreases. The opposite occurs. The issue is in the steering stem. Just do the wiggle check as described above...
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Post by rockynv on Sept 11, 2013 16:59:49 GMT -5
Many times this is simply the side effect of heavy braking with the front tire slightly under inflated causing feathered wear of the tread blocks. Sometimes inflating 2 or 3 psi over what's printed on the bikes inflation sticker without going over the max inflation stamped into the sidewall will resolve this if you haven't' allowed things to go too far. If the tire feathering is very apparent and raising the pressure doesn't help then you may just have to replace the tire.
This will occur even with the best of tires if the inflation pressure is not matched to you and how you ride. Track and LeMans racer's get thrown quite often from not pitting their bikes and adjusting tire pressure in a timely manner when its set too low for the conditions they are riding in.
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Post by cookietin on Sept 11, 2013 17:49:44 GMT -5
Perhaps...?
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 11, 2013 23:21:39 GMT -5
Scootnwin is most likely right.
Do check for any looseness in the fork-crown. If it's there, tighten/adjust the fork at the crown. Don't over-tighten, but have no slop. Wobble in the front fork is not at all uncommon on any type of cycle. In the old days, we had "road-dampers" on most big bikes. Just tighten it a little and you were good to go. Some modern cycles have little "shock-absorber-like" devices connecting from one, or both fork legs to the frame to tame this.
My Xingyue has always had a little of this phenomenon, and the forks are tight, wheels right, nothing amiss at all. It's simply the flex inherent in the step-through frame. The wonky motor-mount/rear "fork" and such don't help either. Except for the highest-quality scooters and motorcycles, front-end wobble is all too common. I found that keeping my tires HARD really does help, but the flat-floor, step-through frame design often simply has no "triangulation" or "girder-construction" with no top frame member and this makes it hard to keep the frame from flexing.
Flat-floor, step-through Vespas use a sophisticated "uni-body" frame/body design that makes a stout structure. Most larger scoots use SOME form of "top-rail". That precludes a flat floor, and makes the "hump" in the floor to climb over.
I'm looking to step up to a 250 but with plenty of arthritis, I still want a flat-floor. Kymco is one of the few 250cc and bigger with a flat floor. I tried out a used Grand Vista, and it was pretty good up to 75 mph. Relax grip on the bars, and kick the floorboard hard sideways, and a slight wobble could be induced, but overall, not bad.
In Chinese (and even MUCH more expensive scoots) in the 50, 150 and similar sizes with step-through frames, I think some tendency to wobble is pretty common. Make sure the fork is tight, alignment is straight, wheels balanced and tires filled hard, and it becomes much less a problem. Be careful though, grab onto the bars tight and stop the wobble IMMEDIATELY if you sense it beginning. Once it starts, it can get out of hand and put you on the ground.
Even $40,000 cycles CAN do it on occasion, so be careful. I've ridden now for over 50 years and have found ANY bike CAN wobble under just the right conditions. The better the bike, the less the tendency, but they ALL can do it. I'd give a nickel to have them bring back the good old screw-down road-dampers! They were true LIFE-SAVERS even on poorly-designed old cycles!
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by rockynv on Sept 13, 2013 4:27:27 GMT -5
Fork braces will help with wobbly forks and many will modify a set designed for the smaller MotoGuzi bikes for use on a 150cc or 250cc bike however start with the basics and get those tires set right as a fork brace can make the shake from tire issues more sharp and sticatto.
I was going to start tearing into my bike when this started at 6,000 miles however the factory mechanic trained by Aprilia told me that it would more likely be the front tire needing the pressure upped 2 to 3 psi over spec to resolve it. I replaced the original Sava Diamond 28 at 12,000 miles after putting an additional 6,000 miles on the tire and the shake did not return. I replaced the original tire at 12,000 miles with another Sava Diamond 28 and at 18,000 miles still no longer have any head shake following the Aprilia mechanics reccomendation.
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