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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:31:38 GMT -5
I have to say my T3 rides like a rock. Its supposed to have the benefit of dual rear shocks...well they suck and so does the front. Unless the road is perfectly smooth the ride is so rough and jittery. A small bump has no forgiveness in the suspension and is extremely jarring to the rider. I have not riden any other scoots other than an ATM something or other but it quit running 500 feet on the ride but felt slightly better in the short time i was on it so I don't know if this is what i can expect from all 50cc scoots.
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Post by millsc on Sept 10, 2013 11:33:24 GMT -5
The t3 rides bad because of the low profile thin tires, i had one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:37:53 GMT -5
Can I try removing one shock to see if there is any improvement? As far as low pros for me in the future...no. The 120-70-12 should be better i hope thats on my next scoot.
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Post by scootnwinn on Sept 10, 2013 11:56:03 GMT -5
Don't remove a shock it was designed for 2 and your swing arm may twist without it there. There is no spring preload setting on your shocks?? If no just replace them with one that is adjustable they are pretty cheap...
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Post by millsc on Sept 10, 2013 11:57:54 GMT -5
My galaxy 50cc scoots had 130-70-12's rode quite well my 150 with 13's is even better
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Post by millsc on Sept 10, 2013 11:58:49 GMT -5
My 150 has adjustable shocks its a great feature
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Post by prodigit on Sept 10, 2013 12:15:30 GMT -5
I suppose with the T3 you mean TaoTao?
Those shocks are very hard indeed. TaoTao puts parts together, that are cheap. They work, but they don't necessarily emanate comfort; but rather simplicity, and affordability. On my ATM50 I have only 1 shock mounted, but it's made for this kind of mounting. I'd say, you could try taking out one shock, see how it behaves on some rides, then switch to see if it rides better on the other shock. I don't think the frame will bend easily when removing one shock; or, you can take the shocks to a garage, where they can cut (one of) the springs to a lower tension.
The shocks are actually made for a 200+ LBS person, or they work fine when riding with 2 people (upto 300LBS); I know because I did it once, and they where ok in those conditions. They will wear out and soften a bit in the course of your riding, say about 4k miles? So the beginning is always the worst.
You got to be really lucky with those shocks. For instance, most roketa bikes have ok shocks. The MC-05-127 has EXCELLENT suspension, the best I've ever been on on a chinese scoot! Even better than my BMS TBX260. The BMS260 was good too; however people that purchased the BMI110 said that the shocks on it where hard as wood, eventhough the bike costs almost twice the price of the MC-05-127, and has a smaller engine!
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Post by scootnwinn on Sept 10, 2013 12:28:27 GMT -5
...I don't think the frame will bend easily when removing one shock... Right good idea Chinese frames are world famous for their rigid unbendable qualities.
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Post by millsc on Sept 10, 2013 12:30:17 GMT -5
Leave the shock
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Post by rockynv on Sept 10, 2013 12:35:53 GMT -5
Yes leave both shocks in place. The engines are the same however the frame that they are mounted to may not hold up to the unequal loading and may twist or worse snap when stressed.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Sept 10, 2013 12:53:52 GMT -5
DX
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 10, 2013 13:56:09 GMT -5
Shocks?
Gosh, I guess I got spoiled by ANY form of suspension after years of riding hard-tail Harleys... LOL! My back still hurts when I think back about my pet chopper "Old Blue". With no suspension on the rear, tar strips at 80+ felt like Godzilla was smacking my butt with a piece of Tokyo harbor... A genuine "bump" would often fling the rear wheel two feet in the air, bringing about a surprise meeting between my face and the gas-tank. My first bike with real...? suspension was a mid-sixties BSA 650. Trust me, my current Xingyue 150 is better than that old Brit ride.
Like most of our "budget" Chinese scooters, my Xingyue has no adjustment in the suspension. However, it rides OK for me, at 235 pounds. It's a little hard, but also allows carrying a passenger with no problem. I have recently been shopping (like a girl at a shoe sale...) for a 250.
I love my little 150 but it simply is too slow to ride safely anymore, since local streets have been "upgraded" and cars have gotten faster and faster, and drivers have gotten meaner and meaner. You don't need a crotch-rocket, but honestly, you DO need something that will accelerate from a red light to 65 mph+ VERY smartly to avoid becoming road kill.
In the process, I learned something interesting. At only about 230 pounds, my 150, or a 50, has very little weight to hold it down, except the rider. This phenomenon most CERTAINLY adds to the harsh feel of the ride. The 250's I've test ridden weigh almost DOUBLE at around 450 pounds. Hmmm... They feel MUCH better at any speed. I think I discovered that WEIGHT absorbs bumps better than suspension. I suddenly remember my old science teacher having us hold a cut pine 2 x 4 the size of a brick and whacking it with a bat. Your hand REALLY feels the impact. Now, take a heavy house-brick of similar size, hold it and smack it with the bat. Hmmm.... You feel VERY little impact.
There's something to be said for some extra weight. And (I really LOVE this) unlike a heavy MOTORCYCLE, a heavier SCOOTER is not unwieldy to push around into tight places, and not overly-heavy off the side-stand or stopped at red lights. This is because scooters keep the weight way down low. So, you get a smooth ride like a highway-capable MOTORCYCLE, with the nimble handling of a SCOOTER! Cheesh, talk about the best of both worlds!
I'm sure you could improve the ride of your scoot with adjustable shocks (especially if you don't weigh much) but the miles I've put on test-rides lately indicate to me that 200 pounds more weight in the scooter adds a LOT more "luxury-car" feel to the ride without adding a ponderous, unhandy aspect to the little beasties.
I'd try adjustable shocks, set as soft as possible. I really would not recommend removing a shock. As others have said, your scoot was made for shocks on both sides. While running one shock may (or may not) be safe as for twisting the trailing-arm, it will definitely contribute to the potential for "high-speed-wobble" which Chinese scoots are famous for anyway.
Just my opinion, but it's based on a considerable amount of current rides on any scoot that will run 75 mph. I'm finding that more weight (and longer wheelbase) equates to better ride.
Ride safe!
Leo in Texas
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Post by keltex78 on Sept 10, 2013 15:21:49 GMT -5
The suspension/shocks on my YY250T was very rough when I first got it but I can tell that it's starting to break in and get more comfortable. About 1300 miles on it so far...
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Post by shalomrider on Sept 10, 2013 18:43:08 GMT -5
howdy, again i'll jump in where angels fear to tread. the problem with suspension for these machines is that part of the weight of the motor and the weight of the entire transmission and drive system, brake, wheel, tire is all what is termed "unsprung weight" . if you look on a motorcycle , only the weight of the tire , wheel, sprocket, brakes are unsprung. so on the scoot, when you hit a bump and start all that weight moving it produces a lot of force compared to the motorcycle, and you feel it more. someone with better tech explanation can jump in and confirm this. the older motocycle adds when bragging about suspension all mentioned low unsprung weight as an advantage. the scoot doesn't have that advantage.
also just as a frame of reference, when i bought my scoot , it was set on the softest pre-load and the unpleasantness of the ride was the suspension bottoming out. when i upped the pre-load the ride actually softened up. a guy who regularly rides a kawasaki vulcan , rode mine on sunday and commented on how well it handled the bumps, and how smooth everything was.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by oldchopperguy on Sept 11, 2013 0:02:23 GMT -5
howdy, again i'll jump in where angels fear to tread. the problem with suspension for these machines is that part of the weight of the motor and the weight of the entire transmission and drive system, brake, wheel, tire is all what is termed "unsprung weight" . if you look on a motorcycle , only the weight of the tire , wheel, sprocket, brakes are unsprung. so on the scoot, when you hit a bump and start all that weight moving it produces a lot of force compared to the motorcycle, and you feel it more. someone with better tech explanation can jump in and confirm this. the older motocycle adds when bragging about suspension all mentioned low unsprung weight as an advantage. the scoot doesn't have that advantage. also just as a frame of reference, when i bought my scoot , it was set on the softest pre-load and the unpleasantness of the ride was the suspension bottoming out. when i upped the pre-load the ride actually softened up. a guy who regularly rides a kawasaki vulcan , rode mine on sunday and commented on how well it handled the bumps, and how smooth everything was. lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken As the Ambien Beaver would say: "AB-SO-LOOT-LEE"! When I replaced my factory exhaust with a feather-light stainless "chamber" setup, it removed about 15 pounds of un-sprung weight from the rear wheel/suspension. The improvement in handling (especially on wash-board surfaces) was VERY noticeable. I had forgotten the entire engine, tranny, trailing-arm/engine mount and exhaust is part of the un-sprung weight... PLUS, of course, the wheel/tire and brake. GOOD POINT, SHALOMRIDER!Leo in Texas
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