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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 16:28:08 GMT -5
My scoot struggles to start with the 60mm high compression bbk and stock head which will work better a high cca battery or a high torque starter both around the same price
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 27, 2013 16:36:32 GMT -5
Buy my variable timing cdi and problem solved .
John
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 16:38:38 GMT -5
I have a dc fired cdi, but i do need a performance cdi dc fired, but gonna get one of the two today either battery or high torque starter can get a 230cca battery or high torque starter for the same price
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 16:41:12 GMT -5
It struggles and when it does the wires and the starter get hot maybe theres another issue  |
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 27, 2013 16:49:59 GMT -5
Yes timing !
I checked the timing curve only on the ac fired cdi .
John
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 17:54:37 GMT -5
i need a cdi but usually they make it even harder to start not the other way around, still anyone have preference between battery or starter?
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 27, 2013 18:08:58 GMT -5
TVNACMAN is right on, Some of the CDIs John sells are retarded for starting and advance at around 3000 rpms. So being retarded a little makes a high compression motor start easier.
Your normal Performance CDIs that just about everyone sells are FIXED advanced so with a high compression motor it sure makes it harder for them to start and puts a load on the starting system. Some will kickback on you when you hit the start button.
Alleyoop
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 18:34:49 GMT -5
if he has a dc fired one im for it
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 27, 2013 20:02:08 GMT -5
Well they do have the advancing DC CDIs for GY6 50s+ motors.
Alleyoop
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 20:23:03 GMT -5
advancing the timing would make it worse, can't find any adjustable dc cdi's |
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 27, 2013 20:55:39 GMT -5
Ok, tried to help you out and understand timing on a motor and what the differences are from a ADVANING CDI and A FIXED CDI. So you go buy your adjustable one and you will have just the same as what a COMMON FIXED CDI does. You are going to adjust the timing and IT WILL STAY AT THAT SETTING FOR STARTING and all the way through the throttle range IT WILL NOT CHANGE from whatever you set it at. So you will still have the SAME PROBLEM as you do now UNLESS YOU SET IT RETARDED but it will stay RETARDED and you will loose power ones the RPMS start to climb.
Alleyoop
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 21:02:20 GMT -5
So why won't my high torque starter or high cca battery or both idea work?
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Post by millsc on Aug 27, 2013 21:05:14 GMT -5
Manually retarding the cam and losing power is not an option i refuse  |
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 27, 2013 21:11:29 GMT -5
You just are not getting are you, either that or you pulling my leg  Listen up this will be my last attempt, AN ADVANCING CDI STARTS OFF RETARDED to help high compression motors start easy THEN AT ABOUT 3000 rpms it advances the timing for your power. I am done if you cannot grasp that I don't know. I think your better off getting your stronger battery and what they SUPPOSEDELY CALL HEAVY DUTY STARTER(NOT). Alleyoop |
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Post by tvnacman on Aug 27, 2013 21:11:37 GMT -5
key word "variable" timing , without and adjustment ! below 3000 rpm about 8 degrees returded , over 3000 rpm 30degree advanced . no knobs to adjust no wires to switch PLUG AND PLAY !!!!!!
John
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..BAD TO THE BONE..