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Post by paulgendek on Jul 21, 2013 13:56:50 GMT -5
I bought the Kawasaki 12v DC Impact Wrench, blue threadlock glue, and a 17mm socket. Everything came off and went back on easily. Thanks guys!
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Post by rockynv on Jul 24, 2013 10:43:01 GMT -5
There is a reason why you don't use an impact wrench on the cranksaft of a small engine and the scrap heap is full of them. The correct tools can be found economically if you shop around or can be made up in the home shop. How many posts have we seen about strange engine failures or broken cooling fins on a variator because the correct holding tool was not used?
I know we are inclined to want the easy/quickest way out of things however there are a few areas of bike maintenance where it pays dividends over the long run to do it right and purchase or make up a proper holding tool and use a torque wrench when reassembling things.
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Post by djscootz on Jul 24, 2013 10:57:38 GMT -5
I don't think that my 1986 Honda Elite was really meant to be worked on by the owner, especially with the CVT and the way it is mounted. There is a passenger pedal bracket that is welded to the steel frame and is not removable. This blocks taking off the CVT cover without the variator coming with it because there just isn't enough clearance. I had to use an impact wrench to change my belt just because I had to take the whole thing apart together. Just remember if you use an impact wrench, put the nut back on the threads by hand first before using the impact wrench to avoid stripping the threads.
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 12, 2015 14:52:22 GMT -5
My impact wrench died today, before I had reinstalled the variator nut. I took out the spark plug, put some nylon rope into the hole, then used a socket wrench to tighten her down. Pretty easy, and she's running great!
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Post by jtron on Jul 12, 2015 22:23:08 GMT -5
Strap wrench. Same concept as taking an oil filter off a car. No need for an impact, just a breaker bar, socket, and strap wrench
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Post by scooter on Jul 13, 2015 15:53:25 GMT -5
Just make a spanner tool for free out of an old bed frame and a couple bolts you have laying around,,I bring mine with me on long trips in case i have to change a belt.NEVER WEDGE A SCREWDRIVER BETWEEN THE FAN BLADES THEY WILL SNAP!!! Nice to see you again, Jersey! I couldn't see your video. Come check out my latest project itistheride.boards.net/thread/8053/50cc-start
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Post by bandito2 on Jul 14, 2015 12:31:45 GMT -5
A couple pieces of 1/4 or 3/16" X 1" strap steel - 17" for the long arm of the "Y" and same material but 7" long for the short arm of the "Y" , a few holes with bolts & nuts and VOILA!! a variator tool. If your variator just has fins but no holes to fit small (6mm X 30mm) bolts, then cover the threads of the bolts with plastic tubing to act as cushions to spread load and reduce the likelihood of scratching & cracking fins or the drive line case. www.stevenpaluch.com/Ruckus/variator_tool.jpgWhen I use mine, I always have the long arm on the same side as the wrench handle. So, for loosening - to the left. (with the long arm touching the ground) for tightening, long arm of the tool and the wrench handle to the right. That way I can just stand on the wrench handle letting my weight do the work if need be. That is unless you have a variator like this bike here. Then you will most likely need a specialized tool. www.adrenalin-pedstop.co.uk/img/tutorials/4/2.jpgBTW, a powered ratchet should be fine for REMOVAL of nuts, but it would be much more sensible to use a properly set torque wrench when replacing nuts on your scooter to be sure it does not get over tightened. There may come a time when you don't have the benefit of a powered ratchet for removal. Torqued properly, it may still be difficult to remove but not near impossible to the point of possibly causing damage. At one time, I had made about 2 dozen of these tools and sold them to Honda Reflex owners... don't have any more left though... but they are so easy and cheap to make. Free if you can find scrap steel like bed frame material. (that stuff is tough as heck and hard to drill though.)
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Post by ghcoe on Jul 14, 2015 20:12:37 GMT -5
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Post by onewheeldrive on Jul 15, 2015 14:16:27 GMT -5
My impact wrench died today, before I had reinstalled the variator nut. I took out the spark plug, put some nylon rope into the hole, then used a socket wrench to tighten her down. Pretty easy, and she's running great! Are you going to get another HF emergency impact? I wound up ordering another one of those after my switch took a dump.
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Post by JerryScript on Jul 15, 2015 14:50:24 GMT -5
I discovered it's my switch as well. If i only pull it in 1/3 it works!
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Post by rockynv on Jul 16, 2015 4:08:52 GMT -5
If you do use an impact wrench to put the variator or clutch nut back on you should use a torque limiter on the impact wrench matched to the specification of the nut and shaft. If you do not have the engine manual you can just go with the generic specification for the hardness spec of the shaft, thread pitch and diameter. The torque limiters once their set point is reached will just spin without driving the nut any tighter. A pair of mechanics gloves is recommended to get a good grip on the clutch bell or drive face to prevent the impacts from reaching the gears or connecting rod and damaging them. Torque Limiter
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Aug 16, 2015 17:23:25 GMT -5
If you don't have many tools, well you probably don't own a air compressor.. Impact wrenches can either hook up to an air compressor or be totally electric. The cheapest electric impact wrench was around $38 and air impact wrench was $20.. But like you, don't own the greatest amount of tools. Don't wish to take my tire tool off and hook up a impact wrench to air hose. So I would be better off buying an electric impact wrench. i have the helix type 250cc and i found that using a piece of tire tread wedged between the variator and case will work. also, i don't use ANY type of thread locker on ANY of the bolts or screws on my chinese ride. this includes the head bolts, axle bolts, variator nut, caliper bolts, and muffler bolts. i don't use a torque wrench, but i am fairly well mechanically minded. the only real problems i've had with bolts coming loose was i lost a muffler bolt, and i lost a swing arm bolt. i found replacement bolts for both of these and used a lock washer to hold them.
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