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Post by melidaatx on Jul 17, 2013 22:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by domindart on Jul 18, 2013 1:23:42 GMT -5
Hrrmmmm let me think nope, don't know We've got a lot of good guys on this board to help though Can you trace the leak? Is it possible its just a blow off valve?? I don't know much about these scooters yet, haven't worked on mine.
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Post by pmatulew on Jul 18, 2013 5:38:00 GMT -5
Scooter motors a pretty simple (as far as motors go) so there are only a few common leaky spots. The valve cover, the head gasket, or the base gasket. Unfortunately all three are hidden underneath the plastic cooling shroud. Once you get a leak, the air from the engine fan blows the drips around and you have oil everywhere. You'll just have to start digging to find out which is the culprit. You may also want to check that the breather tube attached to the top of the valve cover is still connected to something at both ends. Otherwise it will be venting oil mist in to your engine compartment,
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Post by melidaatx on Jul 18, 2013 7:48:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the pic! I tried finding a good one online and couldn't. Now, if only I can find one with the parts labeled! It definitely looks like like it is being splashed around. I am not sure what the cooling shroud is (I'm going to google it) but can I take that off to see the gaskets? Is it dangerous to run the engine with the shroud off? And is a gasket hard to replace? I learn well, but this seriously my first go-around with anything with a motor!
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Jul 18, 2013 7:53:12 GMT -5
My Znen seems to have a similar leak. I simple green cleaned the engine bay and hosed it out with water. Also added a new breather line and went to a clean fuel filter mounted up high towards the back. Didn't help. (I think I forgot to plug the port on the intake plenum) The oil is seeping on to the floorboard, and out through the gills slits below the seat. My valve cover is tight, but it is time to check the gasket, and head torque, and valve clearance.
Interestingly, this leak issue did not start until the last oil change - Rotella 5W-40 synthetic. I will either try 15W-40 synthetic or dino oil 10W-40. But since it is already leaking, I doubt a simple change will help.
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Post by ramblinman on Jul 18, 2013 8:03:46 GMT -5
http://instagram.com/p/bwilX_oBRm i'm no mechanic but that pic would lead me to believe your vacuum line is disconnected. i guess it is possible it could be the head gasket. can you remove the small plastic panel under the seat? on mine i need to remove the seat to get to it.
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Post by melidaatx on Jul 18, 2013 8:06:10 GMT -5
I just watched this video on how to adjust a valve cover... I think I may be in over my head :-(
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Post by ramblinman on Jul 18, 2013 8:09:27 GMT -5
I just watched this video on how to adjust a valve cover... I think I may be in over my head :-( nobody knew anything in the beginning. i just started learning about these engines the past few months. you'll be fine, just keep reading and posting.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 18, 2013 8:19:05 GMT -5
Its not adjusting a valve cover,,its adjusting the actual valves on that video,,the cover is just a cover held on with a few bolts and a sealing O-ring to keep the oil in.Also on that video,,after he took the cover off,,did you see those four nuts?Well those are the head nuts I was talking about that need to be snugged up or torqued to 20 foot pounds. Mine had a drip up there,,what I did was take the valve cover off to adjust my valves,,then torqued or tightened the head bolts up to 20 ft pounds(or right when they are about to twist),,then I applied Indian Head Shellac to the valve cover where the O-ring seals and put it all back together,,no more leak. So if I where you I would try to see if the leak is coming from around the valve cover or the head,,if its either I would take off the valve cover and put a new O-ring there,,while its off just snug up the head bolts,,you may need to take off most of the plastic covers to get this job done.Too bad your not closer or I would do it for you in an hour or so Tom ;D BTW-Changing over to synthetic oil can find a leak that was not there with dino,,the syn is so much slicker and has better flowing properties.There are other seals that can leak besides the ones mentioned,,there is one behind the variator and one on the stator side,,they are crank seals,,but Im sure yours is from the valve cover/head area...
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Post by melidaatx on Jul 18, 2013 8:37:55 GMT -5
I would love it if it is just a hose disconnected because I think that would be very simple to fix! I will take my seat cover off tonight. I have to go buy a 10 mm socket. Of course that is only socket that was missing out of my full kit! I'll take another picture and post tonight.
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Post by melidaatx on Jul 18, 2013 9:03:14 GMT -5
I just watched this video on how to adjust a valve cover... I think I may be in over my head :-( nobody knew anything in the beginning. i just started learning about these engines the past few months. you'll be fine, just keep reading and posting. Thanks for the encouragement! I'll try again tonight.
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Post by ramblinman on Jul 18, 2013 10:36:07 GMT -5
I would love it if it is just a hose disconnected because I think that would be very simple to fix! I will take my seat cover off tonight. I have to go buy a 10 mm socket. Of course that is only socket that was missing out of my full kit! I'll take another picture and post tonight. a screw driver should remove the panel in this pic, no? if you can get that panel off you should beable to see the valve cover. http://instagram.com/p/bwilX_oBRm you may need to take the seat off anyway. not much room to work with that small window but you could at least see if the hose is disconnected.
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Post by pmatulew on Jul 18, 2013 12:06:55 GMT -5
The black plastic cooling shroud is there to help direct the air from the fan over and around the fins on the cylinder and head. You could run the motor without the shroud but not for very long before it would start to overheat. For testing you could set up an electric fan to blow air at the motor. Unfortunately the shroud is covering over all the joints between parts that you want to get a look at. Whether or not you have room to remove it, (or the valve cover or anything else), will depend on your particular model of scooter and the bodywork around it. On my 150 the front of the motor sits quite low so I can't do much without removing the whole engine assembly from the frame. Not as bad as it sounds, but still time consuming.
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Post by petrol42 on Jul 18, 2013 14:02:21 GMT -5
I had a Znen that developed an oil leak that I couldn't find until I tore the engine apart, twice! The leak was from a small crack that developed along the wall of the cam chain passage. I tried to JB Weld it at first but it didn't work and I had to replace the cylinder head to fix the problem. Attachments:
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Post by jeepsteve92xj on Jul 18, 2013 14:25:28 GMT -5
Nice find. I probably would have tried getting it welded. Or trying to aluminum braze it myself. I don't have any broken parts to practice on yet.
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