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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 17:26:06 GMT -5
Sorry wasn't clear... The brakes lights work... they did before as well.. I tried to start it and it turned over. no issue there as well.
Now you have me confused?
Just to reiterate, with the key swith plugged in it is doing the SAME thing its doing with the jumpers. So im confused how the ignition key switch is bad..
So with the jumpers in the brake lights worked and you could hit the starter and it would turn over.
But here you are saying with the key in.....
PS.. One thing I wanted to ask.. Why is it that with the key out... I can press the STARTER switch (button) and it shuts the power off..
Which is it? You did have the key switch totally unplugged from the system when putting in the jumper wires, correct?
Simply put if you have the key on and hit the start button and it shuts down the scooter then it is bad. It shorted out when you installed the disconnect incorrectly.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 17:27:07 GMT -5
[replyingto=jr]JR[/replyingto]Ok, help me here.. You said I crossed the negative with the positive, what do you mean by that?  When I put this disconnect switch in, everything was disconnected from the battery... ALL I DID WAS take the NEGATIVE wire from the battery and put it on a disconnect switch.. HOw is that crossing the positive part of the battery?? According to all of you.. the negative wire is from the frame to the battery.... if that is the case the Positive was never touched or crossed.. So im not sure what you mean by crossing the negative.. And you guys keep bringing up the fuses if they were out the tail lights would be out.. so shouldn't we rule those out?? And the key switch where I put the key in... How can that be fried if its doing the EXACT same thing with the key switch UNPLUGGED??? When I pull the key out yes there is power.. by why does it shut down when I press the starter button... Something has to be going crazy for that to happen... |
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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 17:32:56 GMT -5
I'm assuming you put the cable from the switch to the solenoid relay like was drawn in the picture, if you did that and then hit the start button then you crossed positive and negative together. In the drawing it said on the "M" side NEG to frame. If you put that wire there then you grounded out the system.
By your own admission all these problems started when you installed the battery disconnect switch, the scooter didn't just have this all happen by itself. You've got major problems and it's going to have to be gone through one thing at a time.
Also the tail lights are on the same circuit as the head lights which you say won't work, what you have is brake lights only or blown headlight bulbs or the switch or both.
Question, did this scooter have headlights that will come on when just turning on the key and headlight switch or di it have to be running? There are two different versions, two different diagrams.
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 17:39:38 GMT -5
Ok.. So we are ALL NOT CONFUSED.. especially me.. We are going to do a breakdown of EVERYTHING SO FAR... Beginning------ NO horn, blinkers, flashers, dash lights, and low beam headlights... With the KEY ON.. Radio, speedodometer works (but does not light up) and the scooter starts, brakes and tail light ALL WORK.. I do have one little light next to the head light that works.. im assuming that is the high beam.. When I pull the key out (or just shut the scooter off). The low beam head lights comes on, if you press the horn, the speedodometer goes crazy (the numbers go up and down) if you hit the blinkers.. the ODOMETER goes bright and dim... ( the odometer stays on with the key off as well ) ... If you hit the STARTER button it shuts EVERYTHING DOWN.... power goes off... Also to let you know.. when I turn the key on to start the bike.. if you just hit the starter key ( NO BRAKE) everything lights up... Ok that is the issue at hand that we are trying to fix.... WE need to stop about the disconnect switch.. All I did with that was took the wire from the terminal and split it.. both to the switch and the one to the running right back to the battery.. Just like if would of CUT the black wire at the terminal.. Ok.. now the TESTING PART TESTED----- I unplugged the plug that goes from where I put my key in to the plug that runs to this cluster of wires.... I did what JR asked. I first put jumpers on JUST THE RED AND BLACK WIRES.. turned the disconnect switch to ON.. had power.. the radio worked, you could start the scooter, the brakes and tail lights worked. But the blinkers, horn, light etc DID NOT WORK.. what i didnt test was to see if I took the jumpers off if the power was still on.... Next, I did the other jumpers.. from the red and black as above then from the RED to the Black/Blue wire as requested.... And there was NO Change... Same things as with the red and black wires... With or Without the ignition key plugged in.. IT STILL DOES THE SAME THING.... no blinkers, no horn, no headlight, everything else worked....... Now are we on the same page? The headlights only come on when the key is on.... Also I know for a fact the TAIL LIGHTS WORK.... And if the bulb was blown, it would NOT COME ON when the key is off... Not sure if I mentioned.. They have come back on since the battery disconnect was installed TWICE... but now they are out for good.. As stated above when I installed the battery disconnect the POSITIVE WIRE OR SIDE WAS NEVER TOUCHED... All did was attached Existing terminal wire to the bottom of the switch, I had an old starter used that wire to run from the switch right back to the battery.. It does what it needs to do.. it shuts down the battery.. and turns the battery back on... EVEN WITH it connected back to how it was originally.. ITS STILL DOING THE SAME THING.. I think it has something to do with the STARTER button.. why would that shut down the power?? but im sure im wrong.. since I don't know too much of this which is why im here and we have 5 pages of this.... |
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Post by dragonsparks on Jun 28, 2013 18:23:43 GMT -5
[replyingto=justguy1]justguy1[/replyingto]LOL justguy1. I personally thought that was clear 1,2 Day's ago. Maybe that's just me.  Dave  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 18:35:06 GMT -5
Apparently NOT Dave.. seems we have confusion some where...
Ok.. here is the next thing that is going to blow your mind...
ITS NOT THE IGNITION... I went back out to hook up the jumpers from the red to the black... And power came on.. nothing worked of course... but when I took the jumper off... POWER STILL ON.. Now the headlight is on... and the horn moves the speedodometer up and down like always.. and hit the START button.. and it all shuts down...
Now where are we....LOL... im ready to give up..
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Post by dragonsparks on Jun 28, 2013 18:58:36 GMT -5
justguy1 I Fully understand. But you have to take a deep breath and go with it I understand that you are flustered. The up side is you do have some very Knoalegeable people trying to help you!!! Tho some may not for pure Just to help reasons for said help.  As long as you get your ride running WHO CARES!!!!! And That is My two cent's. Dave |
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 28, 2013 19:10:25 GMT -5
Ok, on the other forum I put up a picture of his IGNITION KEY SWITCH and asked if the PLUG connector from the IGNITION was disconnected and he said YES. And he still is getting voltage to wires that should not have juice ONLY with the KEY ON which is completely disconnected.
So with that cleared up it appears the RED WIRE that feeds the IGNITION has burnt along with some other wires in the harness and are melted together feeding juice without the IGNITION PLUG CONNECTOR PLUGGED into the KEY Switch.
He is going to trace the WIRE carrying the juice from the BATTERY to the IGNITION and see if it has melted someplace along the way and energizing other wires.
Alleyoop
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Post by scootnwinn on Jun 28, 2013 19:34:03 GMT -5
Do you have the plastics all off already? Can you get to the harness? It sounds like something is rubbed bare in the harness... If you can move the wire bundle while it is stuck on and see if you can get it to shut off. Or you may use your test light to see which fuses have power when this is happening. I wonder if the power is coming through the fuse box or if your getting it from a short some where...
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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 19:38:29 GMT -5
LOL justguy1. I personally thought that was clear 1,2 Day's ago. Maybe that's just me. Dave Maybe it is/was but it wasn't to me. I just started on this and only understand what I've read here and at other places but some of that material was moved by another and now not available. Now IMO if you understand all this then maybe you can help him fix his scooter?  JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 19:40:53 GMT -5
Ok, on the other forum I put up a picture of his IGNITION KEY SWITCH and asked if the PLUG connector from the IGNITION was disconnected and he said YES. And he still is getting voltage to wires that should not have juice ONLY with the KEY ON which is completely disconnected. So with that cleared up it appears the RED WIRE that feeds the IGNITION has burnt along with some other wires in the harness and are melted together feeding juice with the key. He is going to trace the WIRE carrying the juice from the BATTERY to the IGNITION and see if it has melted someplace along the way and energizing other wires. Alleyoop I would agree with that but if the red wire was melted to another feed wire then the power would be on all the time and taking the key in or out wouldn't have any effect at all. |
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 28, 2013 19:59:39 GMT -5
Ok, on the other forum I put up a picture of his IGNITION KEY SWITCH and asked if the PLUG connector from the IGNITION was disconnected and he said YES. And he still is getting voltage to wires that should not have juice ONLY with the KEY ON which is completely disconnected. So with that cleared up it appears the RED WIRE that feeds the IGNITION has burnt along with some other wires in the harness and are melted together feeding juice with the key. He is going to trace the WIRE carrying the juice from the BATTERY to the IGNITION and see if it has melted someplace along the way and energizing other wires. Alleyoop I would agree with that but if the red wire was melted to another feed wire then the power would be on all the time and taking the key in or out wouldn't have any effect at all. That is right, and that is what he said he can take the key out which you have to turn off to take it out and he still has power. He has the connector to the key UNPLUGGED and he still has power to other things. Unless there are TWO HOT WIRES coming from the battery what else would feed voltage to the other wires when they should not be getting voltage? Alleyoop |
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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 20:00:23 GMT -5
Apparently NOT Dave.. seems we have confusion some where... Ok.. here is the next thing that is going to blow your mind... ITS NOT THE IGNITION... I went back out to hook up the jumpers from the red to the black... And power came on.. nothing worked of course... but when I took the jumper off... POWER STILL ON.. Now the headlight is on... and the horn moves the speedodometer up and down like always.. and hit the START button.. and it all shuts down... Now where are we....LOL... im ready to give up.. Nope not going to give up, not going to throw in the towel. Now my confusion stems from reading lots of material and not dealing with you direct that's why I told you if you wanted me to help I would jump in there full force. Also since you said this all happened when you put this switch on then by what I saw at other places my assumption would be to par and I fully believe you when you said what you did on the wiring but if you see it from another angle you would also see how one would think this happened from an error? Scooter running fine, put in switch scooter gone south. But scootnwinn made a very vaild suggestion which could easily have happened. It could be just the harness rubbing in some way and I've seen this happen on and off and this could be the answer to why the mystery of the key in and out acting crazy? But you also supplied some more needed info by telling me that the lights just come on with the key and with the switch.....and that the tail lights work, again they are both on the same circuit so that indicates wiring issues. I'll ask the same question, do you have her stripped down? JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 28, 2013 20:03:26 GMT -5
justguy1 I Fully understand. But you have to take a deep breath and go with it I understand that you are flustered. The up side is you do have some very Knoalegeable people trying to help you!!! Tho some may not for pure Just to help reasons for said help. As long as you get your ride running WHO CARES!!!!! And That is My two cent's. Dave I wonder who that might be?  JR |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 28, 2013 20:30:24 GMT -5
I do not have it stripped down.. was really hoping to avoid that.. seems that I cant...
Let me rephrase some things that might clear up some confusion about the key being off and on....
KEY ON-----Scooter starts, Radio works, on the CF moto there are two head lights.. I main big one and a little one.. the little one is on,
things that are OFF--- blinkers, horn, big head light, dash lights....
KEY OFF---power shuts down.. NO RADIO, no little light, no dash lights
things that stay on.. Big head light, odometer.... IF you press the HORN, the speedodometer goes crazy... If you press the blinkers the odometer goes from bright to dim..
Here is the video of what happens..
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