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Post by indymoped on Apr 20, 2013 19:42:52 GMT -5
So I finally got my 150cc swap together enough to drive it today. It has a ton of power. I almost flipped it over when I did a full throttle take off. I figured I'd see what the top speed was. I had a car follow me and I used the GPS on my phone. I got 50 on the gps and 54 from the car following me. (The needle on the scooter was pegged to the bottom of the gauge. Based on distance from the 50 mark it would be reading 70+ stupid 50cc speedos) It's a 150cc Longbo Engine with low miles. Anyways I thought I should be getting at least to 65. How fast are most of you guys getting on your 150 scooters? I plan on playing with the jet size and variator weights in the future. For now the only modification is a free flow air filter and the fact that its a 150cc engine on a 50cc frame.
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Post by waterboysh on Apr 20, 2013 19:47:17 GMT -5
my 150 gets up to 58 according to the speedo. GPS says about 56
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Post by re2master on Apr 20, 2013 19:54:00 GMT -5
I bought a 1987 Honda Elite 150 Deluxe scooter new back in the day (just at $1,000) and it always got upwards of 65 MPH with the digital dash readout and a ride by test with a high school friend. Miss those days when the good scooters were cheap and no endorsement needed, heck a learners permit driver license was all you needed back then for any scooter.
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Post by carasdad on Apr 20, 2013 19:57:27 GMT -5
I almost flipped it over when I did a full throttle take off. I figured I'd see what the top speed was. That right there indicates your variator weights are too light...allowing the engine to rev high and quickly giving you good bottom end...but not heavy enough to take full potential of the variator travel. How heavy of weights are you using now? 52 is a bit slow for a 150! My Jonway Hornet with a 72cc big bore kit will hit 56 GPS. All the 150' I have ridden were close to 60 and one was right at 70...but he had a performance variator tuned properly with his slider weights. Check the weight of your weights and let us know what ya got..we will go from there.
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Post by jeffery5568 on Apr 20, 2013 20:08:45 GMT -5
I can squeeze 60mph on flat ground but I have to tuck and it takes a long stretch. I have hit 67 down hill engine was turning 9k
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 20, 2013 22:22:52 GMT -5
Lots of factors like gearing , variator weights , tire size , your weight ETC . I got a warning ticket doing 72 MPH on an interstate by a cool HP who was curious what kind of scooter I have
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 21, 2013 0:47:59 GMT -5
i get to the high 50mph to 60mph out of my 125 and 150. sometimes its the low 50's if conditions are adverse. i weigh 240 and both scoots are around the same
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Post by spandi on Apr 21, 2013 0:56:21 GMT -5
Hmm, this is strange. I had a guy on a Vespa LT 150 tell me his top speed was 80- mph (Them Vespa's is FAST)
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Post by domindart on Apr 21, 2013 2:43:23 GMT -5
my 150 will hit speedo indicated 65 ... I think....haven't tried a wot run in a while.
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Post by urbanmadness on Apr 21, 2013 3:12:22 GMT -5
Mine has a performance variator (115mm) and 11 gram wieghts. I do 70 indicated on the speedo and 57 via GPS. It's a 150 Verona w/ 10" wheels, all stock except for the variator and the variator is not tuned (just the rollers that came with it) and I weigh 310. big ol' redneck on a little red scooter
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 21, 2013 3:14:05 GMT -5
Hmm, this is strange. I had a guy on a Vespa LT 150 tell me his top speed was 80- mph (Them Vespa's is FAST) Impossible stock. Maybe even otherwise. The 250 / 300cc Vespa will do that, however my 150 will hit speedo indicated 65 ... I think....haven't tried a wot run in a while. I hit 65 indicated on my 125 today. Flat ground, too. But that is not common. Most of the time I top out in the low 60mph, indicated. Speedo is around 5mph off across the band. Same goes for my 150. Top speed doesn't concern me a lot as I don't really need it. I ride WOT much of the time and cruise at 55mph without strain. If I needed to cruise at 65mph comfortably and consistently in most any conditions I would get a capable 250cc something or another. Note I say in most any conditions. That is why for me 250cc for 65mph would have to be the minimal. If I am going 65mph I want the power to get up to 85mph+, not struggle to get to to 75mph with an odd cc bike. 170cc, 220cc, and what have you. 200cc. Nope. Just give me a good 250cc+ and that settles it
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Post by prodigit on Apr 21, 2013 10:55:24 GMT -5
My TaoTao EVO 150 has a very wide range of top speeds. With Mobil regular, and a bit of wind against me, it tops out at 50MPH. I've been able to get it upto 65MPH with a bit of wind in the back, or 63MPH on the highway (with BP 93oct fuel).
Only once did I test the speedo; at 48MPH, the GPS said something like 46 or 47MPH or so...
They should be able to go faster.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 21, 2013 12:57:30 GMT -5
My TaoTao EVO 150 has a very wide range of top speeds. With Mobil regular, and a bit of wind against me, it tops out at 50MPH. I've been able to get it upto 65MPH with a bit of wind in the back, or 63MPH on the highway (with BP 93oct fuel). Only once did I test the speedo; at 48MPH, the GPS said something like 46 or 47MPH or so... They should be able to go faster. I think THIS experience is right on the money with the typical GY6 Chinese 150. Stock, my Xingyue Eagle 150 topped out anywhere from 45 to 52 mph depending on wind, etc. (except for a strong tailwind or downhill grade, which can get exciting...LOL!).I recently upgraded to a prodigy variator with 12-gram rollers. I'm seeing about a 3-4 mph increase, but at a MUCH lower rpm. Formerly, at 52 mph I was running about 9,500 rpm. Now at WOT and 55 mph or so, I'm turning about 7,500 rpm. Around town, at 40-45 mph, it's a real pleasure, just "putting" along in the 4,000 rpm range. At those leisurely speeds, it almost feels like a good Japanese or Taiwanese scoot! Almost...Your 50 to 150 conversion should have a little better performance potential than a standard 150, but even the stock 150's aren't very heavy, compared to the 50's. So the increase on yours may be more cosmetically impressive, than actually much faster than a full-size 150. With your hot acceleration, you can go to heavier weights in the variator for sure. THAT will give you some increase, with easier-rpm cruising, and, you might get away with taller final gears too. I recently rode the wife's chiropractor's new fuel-injected Vespa 150. It had NO trouble hitting 70 mph on it's itty-bitty wheels, with me aboard (I am 6' 1" and weigh 235). I also remember those awful-looking but great-running old Honda "Dukes". Even worn out and held together with duct-tape, they'd always hit 65 with ease. I don't know WHY their Chinese copies won't even begin to equal that performance. But... We have to live with the fact that (unless we weigh around 100 pounds or less) a TYPICAL Chinese 150 will top out somewhere between 50 and 55 mph. With the most careful tweaking (exhaust, carburetion, CDI, coil and variator/drive-train, etc.) you MIGHT get an honest 60 mph on flat ground and no wind. But, add a slight uphill, or a little headwind and you're right back down to 50 mph tops.How I WISH China would make these commonly available in a true 175 to 200 cc in their cheap, mass-produced scoots. I know they make such scoots, but they're not common, and they're a little expensive. I generally figure a Chinese 150 as well-named... It'll carry ONE rider at FIFTY mph... if everything's working right... LOL! Just my observations... Leo in Texas PS: It seems that most all of us find our Chinese 150's just a few mph short of what we really need, and we're trying desperately to coax that magic 55 mph cruise out of them, with little success. I recently test-rode a Kymco "200" which is really like 170 cc, and it did have that sweet extra 5 mph top end. I really liked it, and it's only about double the price of a Chinese 150. Not bad if you can afford it. I also tried out a Genuine Buddy 175. Whew! What a slick little hot-rod! VERY quick... but EXPENSIVE... and VERY small. A little too small for me, and pushing $4,000. I'm thinking however, that if you are wanting something like a 150 conversion in a 50, and if you can afford it, the Buddy 175 might be irresistible!
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Post by prodigit on Apr 21, 2013 17:12:21 GMT -5
The EVO also puts around town at 4k rpm, very nice, but I'd like to get it down to 3k rpm @35mph. @40mph the variator maxes out. Most town riding is below 40MPH (35MPH most of the time), and at these speeds, the engine is revving just a bit too high, and MPG's are not optimized, imho. It has plenty of power to overtake other cars; so I'm thinking of putting in heavier sliders.
Eventhough my EVO can maintain 60MPH on the highway (63 with no wind, but then goes down to 60), I would not ride it at those speeds for very long. 55MPH is a good speed, with some extra to make it through faster traffic; however a 250cc is much better for the highways. If you're doing a lot of interstate riding, even a 250 might be too small for you, and a 350-400cc would be more recommended.
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Post by mrpalmetto on Apr 21, 2013 18:56:25 GMT -5
Between 50 and 55mph on my Sunny Reverse Trike. Closer to the lower of the two as an average.
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