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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 2, 2017 23:14:27 GMT -5
My Title states MC, My Registration States MC and my Plate States MC but in the end its a Scooter and so is yours, lets Not get in a Silly/Discussion of the Definition of what a True MC is and a Scooter is. It is what it is...... I love my Scooter and MC for what they are. scooter sounds so unappealing though, and "twist and go step through design" is too much of a mouthful. and they really aren't a motorcycle, only because motorcycles deserve their own place. so scooter it must be, although i need a MC endorsement to ride it. i don't know, i think a 300 to 350cc would be all i would ever need on a bike. even my 244cc was nothing less than a sheer thrill ride. and to think, my encounter with a chinese 50cc started it all.
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Post by pistonguy on May 3, 2017 6:41:08 GMT -5
My Title states MC, My Registration States MC and my Plate States MC but in the end its a Scooter and so is yours, lets Not get in a Silly/Discussion of the Definition of what a True MC is and a Scooter is. It is what it is...... I love my Scooter and MC for what they are. scooter sounds so unappealing though, and "twist and go step through design" is too much of a mouthful. and they really aren't a motorcycle, only because motorcycles deserve their own place. so scooter it must be, although i need a MC endorsement to ride it. i don't know, i think a 300 to 350cc would be all i would ever need on a bike. even my 244cc was nothing less than a sheer thrill ride. and to think, my encounter with a chinese 50cc started it all. Very Nice! Thank you for your Continued Honesty. I feel the same way, Scooter sounds Dorky, here in NC all Scooters are labeled as Licker Sickles, I can't even admit to anyone I own a Scooter without getting a sideways look of I must be a multiple DUI offender and complete loser. and to be seen on one is even worse. My encounters started long ago on my Tropical Scuba Dive travels in third world countries were most locals there only mode of transportation was a Scooter. I've rented them to do the same all over the world and have a great deal of fun on them.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 3, 2017 21:37:43 GMT -5
Very Nice! Thank you for your Continued Honesty. i'll never own a manual chain drive motorcycle, but that doesn't mean i don't admire them. and most associate the looks of the bike with a 50cc, not realizing it's a 250. most of the people that seen it called it a moped. they did a double take when i told them it would hit 70MPH and gets 52 miles to the gallon. it was probably closer to 75MPH with the 22 gram rollers i was using. the laws in my state disallow moped riders if they have been convicted of a DUI. IOW, you lose your right to ride a moped when you lost your license. no matter if it was a 50cc or less. i remember rolling up to a red light on my 50cc looking 250. this guy in the left lane starts to roll down the window. just as he was sticking his head out to say something, i gave the throttle a quick twist. i can still see that look of stunned amazement. he expected a chainsaw but got the throaty sound of a header. hilarious. mine started with "can i take it for a test ride?"
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Post by rockynv on May 3, 2017 23:31:14 GMT -5
Im not advocating in any way shape or form of stuffing rope down a cylinder, there are several methods to get the job done. oil filter wrench, heck even your Belt around your waste wrapped around the Vari or flywheel will get it done. and as I stated a cheap Harbor freight Electric impact with a coupon is under $39. As far as I'm concerned your blowing theory of Fragile Stock Cast Pistons and have had 0 experience in a Piston cock off kilter, There Boat Anchors, The 50 or 150 CV carb is so forgiving I have Never seen one go lean to the point that is has taken the Temper out of the Piston or a Seizure and caused the smack your referring to.... what you running .250" piston to wall to clock a piston off kilter? utter bunk bro Your talking Smack with 0 hands on experience in what your referring to.... If you are not endosing it and use other methods making it appear that you have 0 experience with the results that can come from stuffing a rope or other objects down a cylinder to lock a crank shaft why would you be so bold as to make such statements to someone who has assisted in cleaning up this type of damage? Yes my experience is mostly with industrial, farm, marine and lawn equipment but it still happens on abused engines of higher quality than you see in a Chinese scooter. I was head of maintenance of a string of factories in Northern New England so I saw a lot of these types of tricks used and fail along with having to authorize the repairs and set up policies to prevent them from being used. I would terminate anyone on my staff who would do the rope trick or any other of these types of tricks after I specifically forbid them. Outside the factory environment I don't do the rope trick myself since its not best practice and it comes with known risks however have helped clean up/repair engines where this was done with most not using the best quality rope which leaves behind a large amount of sisal fibers and other debris. With a brand new braided rope that has no metal filinges or grit embedded or falling off of it on a perfect new piston of quality that has not been pitted or heat damaged from running lean it may not be as big an issue but most Chinese bikes are run hot and lean and have some level of piston top damage along with most tending to use any dirty old piece of shedding rope available so why endorse this practice? On my Lance 150 the piston top was anything but pristine and had obvious signs of heat damage from running lean at high speed. Even reccommending that an inexperienced person use an impact wrench on a variator is bad form especially coming from someone who appears to have such extreme issues with short variator service life and other reliability issues on their own scooters. One has to wonder...
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 4, 2017 2:29:33 GMT -5
well, regardless of what rocky said, it just seems obvious to me that squishing a rope against an open valve, is going to bend the valve stem.
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 7:52:57 GMT -5
Now tell me any of this has anything to do with me using a Impact on my Vari Nut. My Scoot has never seen a wet road or been down a dirt road, The Schmancy Coated NCY Vari started taking the coating off within minutes. A few hours run time and the new rollers were flat spotted. the pictures don't lie. The Sliders in the first pi, you can see one rolled over and the others have uneven deep cut in them.
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 8:05:31 GMT -5
The wear yo see is with just a few hours run time. I can hardly imagine what this would look like in a challenging climate like in the Tropics were these Scoots ar ridden everyday thru wet sandy salt water mixed roads. A modern O ring chain will win every time. And again I'm sure this has to do with me using a impact on my Vari nut. just plain silly to imply such a thing
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 4, 2017 8:09:09 GMT -5
why no grease? i literally slathered the inside of the variator with grease.
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 8:51:13 GMT -5
Here is one of my a +2mm KX450F 13:1-1 ruining .002 piston to wall. You are No Way going to cock that piston and upset the cylinder wall.
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 8:56:58 GMT -5
why no grease? i literally slathered the inside of the variator with grease. I tried that on my OE vary when I was tuning it, all it did was throw grease all over, get on the belt and Glazed it up real good. ended up getting the grease on the Clutch pads, threw the belt away and had a mess to clean up. I knew better but tried it anyway.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 4, 2017 9:10:25 GMT -5
why no grease? i literally slathered the inside of the variator with grease. I tried that on my OE vary when I was tuning it, all it did was throw grease all over, get on the belt and Glazed it up real good. ended up getting the grease on the Clutch pads, threw the belt away and had a mess to clean up. I knew better but tried it anyway. i put almost 10,000 miles on 3 different variators, and none of them slung grease. even after multiple removals of the cover plate, the o-ring still sealed the variator. if i remember correctly, honda calls for 4 ounces of grease in one of its variators, and that much grease completely filled mine. so i tried it. i never did experience a grease slinging variator. i would imagine that you used a type of grease that liquifies too easily. this would allow it to drip out from the top when not running.
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 10:02:27 GMT -5
Ive been running this Ankle Biter set-up since last September. I have encountered no such "O" rings on my 150 Vari's, there simply nothing to keep the grease in the Vari. I used a High Temp Synthetic grease. I have no knowledge or experience with the Honda vary you mention to comment on it. And Yes that is a Zip-Ty in place of the Clutch nut holding it on, I was to ginger tightening up the Clutch Bell nut and after a couple hours I chopped the throttle and the Bell slid half way off. I knew if a tapped the breaks the Bell was going to come off, It was comical I tapped the brakes and the bell came off and passed me up going right down the middle of the road. I limped her home with the Zip-Ty
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Post by pistonguy on May 4, 2017 10:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 4, 2017 11:02:48 GMT -5
Ive been running this Ankle Biter set-up since last September. I have encountered no such "O" rings on my 150 Vari's, there simply nothing to keep the grease in the Vari. my 244cc certainly had one, and without an o-ring, it's very likely a variator WILL sling grease. oh . . my . . . god. reminds me of my rear axle nut coming loose. i had the socket, but i left the breaker bar at home. i managed to get it tight enough to get home with the socket and pair of pliers. it's a miracle i didn't lose the nut. but yeah, that zip tie trick is pretty neat. melting the tie into the threads would also serve as a thread locker. i gotta give ya a +1 for that one.
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Post by spandi on May 4, 2017 11:55:09 GMT -5
Ive been running this Ankle Biter set-up since last September. I have encountered no such "O" rings on my 150 Vari's, there simply nothing to keep the grease in the Vari. my 244cc certainly had one, and without an o-ring, it's very likely a variator WILL sling grease. oh . . my . . . god. reminds me of my rear axle nut coming loose. i had the socket, but i left the breaker bar at home. i managed to get it tight enough to get home with the socket and pair of pliers. it's a miracle i didn't lose the nut. but yeah, that zip tie trick is pretty neat. melting the tie into the threads would also serve as a thread locker. i gotta give ya a +1 for that one. How about just getting a (14-16mm?) Lock nut. I grabbed a 14mm OEM Honda nut off eBay and found in addition to the front axle, it fit on the variator and clutch Bell as well.
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