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My ATM50-a
by: prodigit - Jun 4, 2013 17:00:45 GMT -5
Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 17:00:45 GMT -5
my ATM worked perfect as is. Only thing I would do is change the rollers to 5g sliders, put an aluminum performance exhaust muffler on it for a 150cc engine, and upjet. You should be able to beat 50MPH out of the scoot like that.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 16:55:19 GMT -5
Then give me an example of 'inbetween the lines' type of hate? I know, they're just ridiculing scooters as toys. Still, A bicycle with an engine kit is a toy compared to a scooter, but it's still a fun toy!So who cares if I ride one? It's efficient, it's fast enough (usually 30-35MPH top speed)... Hi They are much more then toys imho, in actuality they are motor vehicles Take care and ride safely dear friend Yours Hank Some of them can be ridiculously fast indeed! however the stock 45T 50cc 2 stroke engine kits barely make enough power to go faster than 35MPH. I've got the 66cc kit, but for some reason it only has a power output of a ~33cc 4 stroke.; meaning the 50cc 2 stroke kits for bicycles I think they're performing like a 25cc 4 stroke, not like a 50cc 4 stroke.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 16:43:49 GMT -5
Generally on a 50cc you will want light weight sliders (or rollers, but sliders are preferably), regardless of whether or not you are on a hilly terrain. A 50cc can always use better acceleration.
Most 50cc's do with 5gram sliders (at least, that's what they recommended me for my ATM50). There's really no need for any heavier sliders or rollers, unless you want better fuel economy, or are happy riding the 50cc at very low acceleration (like in a city with a lot of traffic jam).
However a stock 50cc engine performs 'fine' when it's accelerating above 6,5k RPM all across the line.
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jerky ride
by: prodigit - Jun 4, 2013 16:35:46 GMT -5
Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 16:35:46 GMT -5
my 0.0000001ct would be perhaps a piece of rubber belt got inbetween the starter gears.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 16:33:32 GMT -5
Just make sure you tighten the exhaust bolts. It works with a vinyl locking nut. On my 250cc, the vinyl would melt. On these ones atm they don't. I have ~800km on mine, don't ride it a lot, I want to save it when I can.
I suppose you'd have to specify in the title that it's for a 150cc. 250cc's usually run farther and longer than eg: 50cc's. Like some people have recorded almost 48k Miles on their 250's. And I've seen many with 13+k miles on their TaoTao ATM50's. I myself am only at just under 3000 miles with only the blinkers as problems.
Too bad your EVO wasn't done well. Mine was done very well, save for front tire bounce which reduced after a good 150 miles riding.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 4, 2013 4:02:36 GMT -5
yeah, put a horn/trumpet as your exhaust pipe!
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 22:03:58 GMT -5
Its going to be tough to run 60 at 6000. You will need to have rpms closer to 7000-7500 to make enough power to run 60. +1 It takes nearly everything for a 150cc to get to 60MPH. You need to be in the torque band or else you won't even be able to get to 60. Lower RPM's are only good to save on gasoline, if you're NOT in need of fast take offs, hill climbing, or high top speeds. There's a sweet spot somewhere. If you install too tall gears, your top speed will go down. Too small and it will go down as well. Since you want to go 60, and need faster take off / hill climbing, I can only hope you have a fuel injected scoot, or have a very lightweight body and scoot. Most (stock) Chinese 150's reach only 55-58MPH. With some tweaking you might be able to get 65 out of them.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 21:59:28 GMT -5
I don't know.. I think it's just stupid to assume that someone riding a car or motorcycle would hate a scootard. I ride both bicycle, scooter, moped, motorcycle, and car, and I don't feel like I hate any of them. I do see the dangers in all of them, and riding them all makes me a better rider/driver. But sometimes I see people doing stupid and dangerous things, Just the fact that on a 900CBR you can go 150+MPH, doesn't mean you should do it. And those that do, definitely should not be zigzagging inbetween cars, even if it seems safe; it is not, and very disturbing. The day more racers will enter the streets zigzagging, the chance will appear for 2 of them to hit each other and cause all kinds of problems for the riders behind them. I don't dislike anyone, except if they're riding super slow or dangerous. Riding a 50cc makes us usually pretty slow, but as long as you know your speed limit, and are not riding on 45MPH roads, when you can only do 35MPH, I have no problems with you. Some scootards ride 25-35MPH on a 45-50MPH road, and are annoying as ! Especially if they could take a parallel road to the one they're riding which has a speed limit of 35-40MPH. You obviously don't know how to read in between the lines. I didn't mean actual hate. Then give me an example of 'inbetween the lines' type of hate? I know, they're just ridiculing scooters as toys. Still, A bicycle with an engine kit is a toy compared to a scooter, but it's still a fun toy! So who cares if I ride one? It's efficient, it's fast enough (usually 30-35MPH top speed)...
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 21:26:48 GMT -5
I don't know.. I think it's just stupid to assume that someone riding a car or motorcycle would hate a scootard. I ride both bicycle, scooter, moped, motorcycle, and car, and I don't feel like I hate any of them. I do see the dangers in all of them, and riding them all makes me a better rider/driver.
But sometimes I see people doing stupid and dangerous things, Just the fact that on a 900CBR you can go 150+MPH, doesn't mean you should do it. And those that do, definitely should not be zigzagging inbetween cars, even if it seems safe; it is not, and very disturbing. The day more racers will enter the streets zigzagging, the chance will appear for 2 of them to hit each other and cause all kinds of problems for the riders behind them.
I don't dislike anyone, except if they're riding super slow or dangerous.
Riding a 50cc makes us usually pretty slow, but as long as you know your speed limit, and are not riding on 45MPH roads, when you can only do 35MPH, I have no problems with you. Some scootards ride 25-35MPH on a 45-50MPH road, and are annoying as ! Especially if they could take a parallel road to the one they're riding which has a speed limit of 35-40MPH.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 20:42:43 GMT -5
Taking one of the panels off is not an option. I'd have to demount the front and top first, then the sides, and even if I do that, the frame would still be in the way. There's a small hole in the panels for a screw driver to adjust the idle. From that hole I might be able to drill out the rivet right next to it, which I believe is the AF screw, if I have a long drill. But I was kind of hoping someone had experience with the carburetor, and could tell me for sure if behind the rivet is the right screw or not.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 20:22:42 GMT -5
2-3 seconds. depends on rider's weight, rollers, fuel, engine limiters or restrictions, gearing etc...
Best you can do is keep on riding 20MPH, until the GPS is settled, and mark down that speed on your speedo.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 16:43:17 GMT -5
I have a 125 (127cc actually). Mine doesn't run at all, probably because they put another head on the engine (few cc's higher), and didn't re-jet. Probably set up well for the himalayas, but not sea level. Mine is chinese I believe, not original Mikuni. Either original, or a clone; don't know. Mine is also 4 stroke, not 2 stroke.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 3, 2013 16:16:06 GMT -5
I bought a chinese motorcycle, love it, though the carburetor is jetted incorrectly (way way way too lean), and is almost impossible to detach unless I demount the whole bike.
So far I have it 2 weeks, been able to run it on paint thinner, with the choke on. It rides fun, accelerates fast, and probably will be a great bike once jetted correctly. I would recommend not mine (which was only $1000 delivered), but a bigger one (usually ~1500-2000 delivered), because it's still half the price of a TU250x. Yes, finding a TU250x below $4,5k is almost impossible (at least in miami area), and dealers want to sell em too high, asking almost $6k for them, new.
I've got a lot of info, because I did a lot of research on those bikes; originally wanted to buy one, but have to agree, that it may be better to go with a chinese bike, for the same reasons that it might be better to go for a chinese scoot compared to a Japanese or Korean scoot. Either that, or go with a Ninja 300. The ninja 300's are phenomenal bikes, with a very high power curve (almost twice the HP of the TU250x), and speed upto 100MPH (some modded 300's go almost 120MPH). That's about as fast as my 750 cruiser goes.
The 300's are not made for long distances though. I've had a friend who broke one down on a 1000 mile tour; while a 500+cc bike is much more suited for long distances. I've never tried a TU250x for long distances, but usually 30-60 minutes trips are ok on these bikes.
When they say 'does this all day long' it doesn't mean all day long. It means it can ride 70MPH just fine, but no one actually tried it all day long. They just estimate it like that. My BMS260 could also do 75MPH 'all day long'; yet after 2k miles it started rambling apart.
I've done a lot of comparisons. The TU250x is a great bike; IMHO better than the S40, not only gasoline wise, but also because a sprocket change is a lot easier than changing a belt's gearing (which often costs ~$1,5-2k for a new belt system).
The Tu250x's are hard to find on the second hand market. Most people prefer the 2012 brown-golden models over all older or newer models (either red or silver). But if you are looking for a second hand model, I'd say take a look at the burgmans, ninja's, and some other bikes sold for around that price range.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 2, 2013 22:24:46 GMT -5
It has a choke, I don't know if it has a pilot jet installed or not. All I know is that at WOT the engine does not seem to suffer as much as at idle.
If the jets are too small (running lean), my hope is to adjust the AF so I can get a working fuel mixture, albeit lower in performance.
At this moment in time, I can't get the carb out. Not without a manual, or at least 10 hours of wrenching, which I don't have.
For that reason I need someone to verify where the AF screw is, and if it would make a difference to adjust it (if it would be possible to get a right mixture, despite running too small jets)?
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Post by prodigit on Jun 2, 2013 22:19:51 GMT -5
The funny thing about those scoots is that usually after a few drag strips they need to change rollers, belt, and other stuff...
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