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Post by prodigit on Aug 24, 2013 1:58:17 GMT -5
What speed where you going at, that you could not avoid the tractor? I can not imagine me doing that, if I see one pulling up I already slow down way before I'm even close!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 21:25:21 GMT -5
I have that happen in the beginning, when the engine is still cold, and the auto enricher is working.
Other than that, no problemos
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 21:23:34 GMT -5
From what I've read there are two main camps about sprocket changes 15 to a 16 tooth or one tooth more in front. 1st camp: Believes that 5th gear is rendered useless but all the other gears are a better range. 2nd camp: It is so much better overall and 5th gear is at lower rpms although top speed is unchanged. Something like that. Pretty much all gearing changes are "shifted" up in speed a little. I know from riding my GZ around 1st to 2nd is a few feet or 10mph 2nd to 3rd is 20-30 4th to 5th is 30mph-40mph 5th 40mph+ I think I might just keep it simple for a while I'm just writing down some stuff relating to cc's, mpg, and acceleration, stuff that comes to me right now. Feel free to ignore this post, but I'm trying to figure out certain things in this post. Call it a brain quirk! If you change your sprocket by a few tooth, top speed will be largely unaffected, and takeoff will feel a bit nicer, as you need to upshift less frequent, those first gears. If you change it by more than 4 teeth, top speed might actually go down, and takeoff might become slightly harder (more clutch work), but the rewarding thing is that gearshifts feel a lot better! If you change it by more than 25% (eg: 48T to 34T, or 43T to 31T), you can reach top speed in the second-to-last gear, while final gear will be a nice cruising gear, low RPM, and high gas mileage, in the usable range. Final gear will not become useless but quite often on a lot of bikes, instead of using 5th gear on a stock bike, to go from 30MPH to 80 or 100MPH, you can use it from 40MPH to 80MPH, and have plenty of better MPG results in that range! If you want to surpass the 80MPH, you might need to downshift one gear, to get the RPMs up, to have sufficient torque/HP to accelerate. The final gear would be called an overdrive gear. It all depends on your bike too, but many bikes out there, are running 5-6k RPM on the highway @60mph, and for anything larger than a 150cc, that's highly unnecessary. A 150cc needs the higher RPM's to have the torque/HP to keep up speed, but a 250cc scooter/chopper/bobber/cruiser can easily run 60MPH @ almost half the RPMs (3k RPM). No need for it to rev to 6k rpm. It also depends on your driving style, and terrain; but most people going 60MPH, do that on the highway or interstate where it's usually long and boring continuous speed riding. If you do have to surpass a slow truck on the highway, you can always upshift one or two gears, and have plenty of power to surpass it. If you're into track racing, hill climbing, or are living in Hurricane land where the winds never are lower than 60MPH, you might actually prefer the bigger sprocket that can keep your top speed more constant, and give you better hill-climbing abilities. But for the most part, on reasonably level ground, A 500cc could run 60-70MPH at ~3k RPM, and a 750cc could run 80MPH @3k RPM. Any of those engines need to build more torque to go faster at some speed, meaning they need higher RPMs, but I'm still into establishing what the best gearing is for cruising on a variety of engine sizes. I find it a highly fascinating topic, how CC's and gearing could influence MPG, top speed, and acceleration! There's a lot you can learn from these 3 variables (cc size, gearing, and acceleration), and how they can limit or extend your preferences on a bike (like eg: better or worsen your expectancy of MPG, or acceleration...)! It's interesting to see that not everyone choosing for a 1,4 liter cruiser bike, has the bike that is really suited for them. In fact, if you want to get max gas mileage out of a 1,4 liter 4 cylinder engine, you'll need to put such large gearings on it, that at 2k RPM the bike is going 80MPH, and at that point it can not surpass 65-70MPG anymore. So unless your plan is to ride a bike constantly at higher speeds than 80MPH, don't get a 1,4 liter bike; in fact, forget about any motorcycle above a 1 liter engine at all in this society where top speed is limited to 75, 80 MPH anyway!! Most of those huge bikes (800cc+ even), are used to show off, and ride in a city @35mph, where not even 15% of the engine is used. CC is directly related to how heavy of a gearing you can put on a bike. And MPG is directly related to how hard you want to feel acceleration kick in. Almost any motorcycle below 600cc can reach 100MPG, without too much effort just as long as it has a tall final gear ratio. If the engine size becomes too big, in order to get 100MPG, the engine must run at very low RPMs, and have a very tall gearing, to the point where that engine is running extremely inefficient! Too small engines need to rev too high, and lose MPG as they rev higher, and wear out faster as well, and they often don't have the torque to quickly accelerate 20MPH higher when already going at a high speed . I think so far, what I've learned from motorcycles and scooters, is that: Optimal MPG's (100+MPGs) are achieved when a bike cruises as fast as possible with it's RPM's as low as possible. In practice that means a tall final gearing, at speeds around ~35MPH with RPMs between 1,5k and 2k.
35MPH is some kind of barrier, where wind resistance increases exponentially; logarithmically even! There's very little wind resistance to overcome below 35MPH, but above it, resistance multiplies almost ten fold, when speed doubles; one of the main reasons why it takes so many extra cc's to get only a tiny bit faster.
In a real life situation, Most people riding only in city or suburb traffic need a 75-100cc. Most people riding very few highway rides, need a 150cc. Most people riding frequent highway rides, need a 250cc. You can add about 50cc extra if you have a passenger with you in above examples.
Most people riding long distance rides (daily highway rides, or frequently longer than 30 minutes highway riding) need a 300cc, and 500cc for frequent rides of more than 1 hour on the higway.
I would only get a 600 or 750 cc motorcycle, if I where to ride hundreds of miles a day, or did frequent long rides of at least 5 hours on highway speeds; and a 900 cc only makes sense if you want all of the above, AND you want to take a passenger, and luggage racks, a radio, and large windshield, etc... It makes no sense to get a 1600cc bike, when a 900cc bike can pull exactly the same, at better MPGs!
I think the above is a rough estimation, and meant for cruising, or mobility purposes. Not meant for sport or racing bikes. From a certain point of view, it makes no sense to get anything beyond a 500cc cruiser bike for most people, as a 250 < x < 500cc engine can get you almost anywhere at an unbeatable gas mileage!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 20:10:08 GMT -5
Everyone who does not ride a TaoTao is a snob So when you ride one of your other bikes, you're a snob? But then you become a not-snob when you ride the Tao? So you're, what, like a part-time snob? That's pretty snobbish of you. ;D >'Kat You got me there Kat! LOL! Though the only overpriced bike I've ever owned was a BMS TXB260, and my Xtreme XB-700Li, which was NOT worth it's price! All others where the most budget of the budgets! My moped bicycle? $450 ($199 bike, and $150 engine) My ATM50? $599 My EVO150? $699 My Roketa MC-05-127? $799 My Honda Shadow VT750? Second hand, '05 model, $3k, which is an awesome price for a 750cc. It had some superficial rust, but had only 3k miles on it when I bought it!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 20:04:05 GMT -5
Not going on the interstate!!! Interstate here is 75-80 mph limit with a lot o' traffic going much faster than that! It scares me bad enough in a car, forget about it on the bike! The interstate here is top speed 60MPH, with some spots 55MPH, and a minimum speed of 40MPH, but most people are riding 75MPH, some 80MPH, and some lunatics like me on the 750cc motorcycle do 100MPH sometimes ;D But when I'm on my EVO150, or MC-05-127, I ride on the right lane, doing 55-60MPH. 55MPH on an uphill with wind against me, feels too slow and dangerous, but 60MPH feels just a tad on the slow side. Most people pass you by gently. If the interstate is not good, try the highway. The highway in S-Florida has a top speed of 55MPH, minimum 40. Most people go 60MPH on it, as there are many cops around here that ticket speeding. I've never felt underpowered, with my manual geared 125cc, neither with my 150cc CVT scooter on the highway, and felt MUCH safer than riding in the city!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 19:54:52 GMT -5
It's very common in chinese scoots to have the drum brake pot being bored out of center. It takes a few hundreds of miles of braking for the pads to rub off the unevenness. Sanding won't help, as the brake pads are basically performing that function on the drum. there are 2 things you can do. If the brake pulse is really hard, loosen the nut a bit, and drive with a looser rear brake. You should be braking with the front brake at all times anyway, and mostly only use the rear brake for emergencies to aid out the front brake. Second option would be to tighten the nut to where the pulsing is very gentle. While you'll be riding the brake pads will level the unevenness, and after a few hundred miles, readjust the nut one click further. Just as long as the pulse (braking unevenness) is not too much, and would cause excessive heat, there is no problem. Most tires have aluminum rims, and aluminum is a great distributor of heat, so your pads won't burn out from scraping against the braking pot a bit every rotation.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 19:46:58 GMT -5
The speedo on most tao's only go to 80 (KMH), but yes, most of the tao's surpass that, and go as fast where the ' ' would be on the speedo. Converted that would be ~45 MPH, not 90MPH, and neither 56MPH, because these speedo's are overrated, where 1 mile per hour compares to 2kmh instead of 1.6kmh.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 19:35:36 GMT -5
I honestly have to say I don't prefer the seat on the Yingang, and I don't prefer the engine to be so open. I like the naked bike design, but what I like less is having wires visible. Always a chance of someone messing with the cables, either destroying your bike, or jumpstart it somehow. On my MC-05-127 I can jumpstart the bike (get the starter working)with a simple metal rod or screw driver, without even needing a key. To keep it running I just need to backtrace a wire and short circuit it. So I prefer closed body panels.
I ended up going with the Roketa, because it's $250 cheaper, and because the Yingang's speedo was off by a lot! On youtube there's a guy reaching 160kmh with a Yingang, but the real speed was only ~82-84MPH, not 100MPH, which is about the same as the Roketa, which probably makes that it's HP ratings are bloated too (26HP could be 20-21HP instead; a bit better than the Roketa, but not by much).
Third is parts. MX Motorsports is located in Miami. The dealer told me he has problems with getting parts, and recommended the Roketa instead.
I went with the roketa also because it's made for larger people. From the pictures I can see that the Yingang is small even for an average person of 5'6" to 5'8", imagine a 6'3" person!
The Roketa has been recommended for people of ~5'7" to 6'5". I'm 6'3".
I went with a white one, better insulation against the heat of the Miami sun.
I think I'll love the bike ;D
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 15:09:19 GMT -5
try to plot out an interstate ride from one entry ramp, to one exit ramp. Record the odo right before entering the interstate, and record it when exiting the interstate. Then compare that to Google.
The interstate is best, because you'll go fastest, and the roads have few curves, so most accurate results
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 15:05:05 GMT -5
I've got almost 4k miles on my tao ATM50, and it squeeks, but it's been ridden % of the time either WOT or idle, and it's still going strong. I wonder when that thing is going to retire? My TaoTao EVO150 has just over 2k miles on it, also problem free. They work best stock.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 15:00:27 GMT -5
The problem with the orange bike, is that it's also the smallest bike, much similar to the Ninja 300 in measurments and riding position. It has a smaller wheel base than the others, but what I'm worried about most is that on the orange I'll be bent forward. The black one is a bit larger but I'll also sit forward. On the roketa I can sit upwards, as the bike is made for tall people.... Why is there always one reason to spoil my fun? ;X I think the black one will be targeted too much in my environment for theft. So I'll go with a naked design instead of a sports design. I don't know much about the blue bike, but like the orange bike a lot better, if it wasn't for it's awkward riding position, and small size.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 7:25:10 GMT -5
The orange one seems from a brand called Yingang. It's a brand that seems to work together with Italy on designing engine parts and transmissions. Their engine and transmissions are home made, and they exceed standard Chinese engine curves. The stock Yingang engine has 25HP@8k RPM. The stock Roketa engine has 18,5HP @ 8k RPM. The stock Chinese engine has 16,7HP @ 7,5k RPM. The Yingang engine is a copy of an older Honda model, that's restricted for pollution reasons. When removing the secondary air injector (that burns off exhaust fuels), and disabling the rev-limiter to go from 8.5k RPM to 11.5k RPM, HP increases from 25 to 32HP, and when opening the air intake another few HP's can be gained, and top speed increases to ~+110MPH. The roketa is limited to sub 85MPH speeds. Yingang seems to be the way to go. Now only deciding which Yingang. The orange naked bike: The blue naked bike: or the black racing bike: Colors aside, because one can get them in all 3 colors (blue, orange, black or white/silver).
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 2:06:31 GMT -5
If it had 214k miles on it, I'd ask the owner to pay me money to accept that 'bike', or whatever's left over from it!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 2:04:48 GMT -5
They're very nice bikes but they also cost a lot in USA. In India the 350 goes for ~$2k USD, but in USA they go for more than double that ~$4-5k USD; $6-7k for the 500cc, which is just too much imho.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 23, 2013 1:35:35 GMT -5
Out of the two, they're almost identical bikes, come down to identical price. The Yingang YG-250-NF: or the Roketa MC_D250RTC_B: The Yingang has a nicer looks, but the chrome might rust very fast, and the tach/speedo looks like analog to me. The Roketa has a digital tach, I have no experience with riding a digital tach during daylight or night, and if the readout is ok, or too small to see while riding? The roketa also looks more plasticky, or fake compared to the Yingang.
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