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Post by tvnacman on Apr 5, 2013 20:00:33 GMT -5
I have been pulled over many times . I'm a happy go lucky type guy. I will greet the cop firmly and friendly with eye contact. " how are you, good morning, what's up fellows " I do it with my windows opened hands on the wheel. When they ask for papers, I look them in the eye and tell them I have to go in to my left front pocket. With a nod of agreement I proceed.
Just remember when your being pulled over. The police are creating a potential for a violent confrontation. I agree they approxh with fight or flight.
John
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Post by rockynv on Apr 6, 2013 7:45:50 GMT -5
when i took the test for my lic. it said if pull over to turn the car off and step out of the car things have change in the last 20 years It also depends on what DMV you ae dealing with. In Massachusetts 40 years ago and Florida since I moved here it has been shut off the engine, stay in the vehicle and keep your hands where they can be seen. Just a little common when dealing with an armed force that is known to suffer armed attacks at night while performing routine traffic stops. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 6, 2013 8:39:25 GMT -5
Call and make a complaint to his superiors. If he wants you to stay in the car after stopping you he needs to tell you to please stay put. People saying you should know not to get out or that you should ask permission to get out of your own car on a PUBLIC road? A policeman is a "law enforcement" officer not a "invent laws, go psycho and threaten citizens" dictator. I would go down and ask to speak to their public relations officer and demand a mediation hearing with this officer. Your local news TV and paper could use a good cop abuse story. Actually how to behave during a traffic stop has been in every DMV drivers handbook I have seen which you have to study before you can get a drivers license so everyone who drives should already be aware of this. If you didn't study the material for new drivers like you were supposed to it really is not the officers fault. Been a while, but there was not one single word about that when I went to Drivers Ed! |
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Post by scooterelements on Apr 6, 2013 10:06:12 GMT -5
when i took the test for my lic. it said if pull over to turn the car off and step out of the car things have change in the last 20 years It also depends on what DMV you ae dealing with. In Massachusetts 40 years ago and Florida since I moved here it has been shut off the engine, stay in the vehicle and keep your hands where they can be seen. Just a little common when dealing with an armed force that is known to suffer armed attacks at night while performing routine traffic stops. ooo yea i forgot about the turning the car off. I do the same thing on my scooter. as soon as i park i turn it off. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 6, 2013 10:35:12 GMT -5
It also depends on what DMV you ae dealing with. In Massachusetts 40 years ago and Florida since I moved here it has been shut off the engine, stay in the vehicle and keep your hands where they can be seen. Just a little common when dealing with an armed force that is known to suffer armed attacks at night while performing routine traffic stops. ooo yea i forgot about the turning the car off. I do the same thing on my scooter. as soon as i park i turn it off. On a scooter..they tell us to get of..walk 10 feet forward and face away from the road. They then pull the keys and look under the seat storage area and in the luggage box on the back and glovebox if you have one. I always say.."You can't search without a warrant or my permission"...always get the same answer..."Looks to me like I just did"...  I have nothing to hide...but the law is the law. How the do they expect us to follow the laws when they won't? 21 years military....been in nearly every state and found their Officers were very professional and courteous. The 2 NUMBER ONE states for the best Officers ever are... Virginia and North Carolina.  In those states if your car breaks down etc...they will help you push it off the road so you can call someone.They also issue more warnings than tickets as they are part of a 'get rich' scheme. Of all 50 states the top of the 'assholes' list...coming in at #1 is here in Michigan. If your car breaks down...even if you yourself push it off the road for safety..they call a wrecker company and tow it immediately! Probably  % that get pulled over here...get a $100 ticket for no seatbelt...because instinctively we unhook so we can reach back for our wallet to get our license. They see you unhook the seatbelt..yet approach the car and inform you..."First off...I will be issuing a citation for no seatbelt"...then they go from there. One of my best friends is a State Trooper...he retired last year..and Terri said he was soooo glad to go as he got tired of their Commander pushing them to ticket for ANY infraction...as a means of revenue for the dept and state....both operating in the 'red zone'.... What they really need is to stop blowing money. Our bicycle Police ride $1,600 bikes...when they could get by just as well with a $400 Cannondale bike... it was good enough for Lance Armstrong. Then pay $1,750 for a bullet proof vest that I can buy for $475...  |
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Post by marshalldillion on Apr 6, 2013 11:15:49 GMT -5
Some helpful tips for dealing with law enforcement officers
Think carefully about your words, movement, body language, and emotions.
Don't get into an argument with the police. Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.
Keep your hands where the police can see them.
Don't run. Don't touch any police officer.
Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent.
Don't complain on the scene or tell the police they're wrong or that you're going to file a complaint.
Do not make any statements regarding the incident. Ask for a lawyer immediately upon your arrest.
Remember officers' badge and patrol car numbers.
Write down everything you remember ASAP.
Try to find witnesses and their names and phone numbers.
If you are injured, take photographs of the injuries as soon as possible, but make sure you seek medical attention first.
If you feel your rights have been violated, file a written complaint with police department's internal affairs division or civilian complaint board.
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Post by carasdad on Apr 6, 2013 12:08:07 GMT -5
Some helpful tips for dealing with law enforcement officers Think carefully about your words, movement, body language, and emotions. Don't get into an argument with the police. Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you. Keep your hands where the police can see them. Don't run. Don't touch any police officer. Don't resist even if you believe you are innocent. Don't complain on the scene or tell the police they're wrong or that you're going to file a complaint. Do not make any statements regarding the incident. Ask for a lawyer immediately upon your arrest. Remember officers' badge and patrol car numbers. Write down everything you remember ASAP. Try to find witnesses and their names and phone numbers. If you are injured, take photographs of the injuries as soon as possible, but make sure you seek medical attention first. If you feel your rights have been violated, file a written complaint with police department's internal affairs division or civilian complaint board. Thanks...VERY good and solid advice. Although I have said many times here that Michigan township...county and State Police suck..and it is true....your advice is very true. I no longer even speak when stopped...and they stop all scooters cause the Meth kids use them for delivery...so I understand. But last 2 times I was stopped...I claimed my 5th amendment and said nothing more..answered no questions. At which time..both times I was informed that by not speaking...I could be arrested for impeding a Police Officers investigation! Mr Dillon we just can't win up here...mind coming over and showing them how it's done?.. Cause their anger..rudeness....aggression...illegal searches and intimidation technique does not work... Either you or a Virginia or North Carolina LEO needs to give classes up here... Believe me....I know they are human just like all of us...and we all have bad days. But however....just like us...we can't allow our bad day to dictate our behavior at work... we'd be fired!..  |
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Post by justbuggin2 on Apr 6, 2013 18:45:35 GMT -5
i agree with all that was said by marshall dillion and have thought of filing a complaint but i live in a small city and knowing how the cops here are i believe it will make things worst as they will start harassing ever time they see me
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Post by carasdad on Apr 6, 2013 19:22:00 GMT -5
i agree with all that was said by marshall dillion and have thought of filing a complaint but i live in a small city and knowing how the cops here are i believe it will make things worst as they will start harassing ever time they see me Same here..small town. Took it to the town council and now harassed every time they see me. Be careful..ya won't win. You gotta remember the ticket money they collect....goes to the town and town council. You are NOT a citizen or resident....you are merely a source of revenue...  |
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 6, 2013 19:24:26 GMT -5
Here they take complaints very seriously.
I called and complained when I was pulled over. I thought the officer was aggressive towards me. Turns out the heat messed my memories fast. Even though I wrote down what I thought had happened as soon as I got home (immediately afterwards), most of it wasn't right at all. I found this out when the officer's superior and I think her superior asked me in to watch the video, 'cause they didn't see what I reported. I watched and agreed I wasn't right. We all agreed the heat and my emotions messed up my memory.
They both said I could've gone over to the shade, but I said the cop hadn't told me that was okay, and my Mom raised me not to disagree with what the cop told me (in this case, to stay sitting on my scoot). I was even concerned about removing my helmet as he hadn't told me that would be okay. I said maybe they could address that and have officers include that suggestion, "You can stay on your bike, or you can go sit in the shade over there if you'd rather." They agreed that would be an excellent addition and would inform officers to do so.
So if you even think you weren't treated politely, or were treated harshly, then report it. File the paperwork. Go watch the video with the superior if needed. Take it as far as necessary to get bad behaviour corrected.
>'Kat
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 6, 2013 21:19:58 GMT -5
...then get pulled over every other day, or have some meth planted on you. No, bad idea.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 7, 2013 6:57:07 GMT -5
...then get pulled over every other day, or have some meth planted on you. No, bad idea. Don't know if this is in reply to my post or not. But my cop has never tried to "strike back" at me for filing what turned out to be a false report against him. And if the above does occur, there's such a thing as "harassment" and he can get busted for that too. Know somebody from years ago who had ticked off a cop. Cop had been pulling him over all the time, 'cause he HAD been a jerk when he was younger--admitted he probably deserved some of it, but not all the extent of it. Well, he'd had a crummy day and the cop had been harassing him the previous day, and there was the cop up the street so he gave cop The Finger. Cop busted him for driving without his glasses (which he was). Guy got that busted " 'cause how'd cop know my DL requires me wearing glasses before he stopped me" Also brought out the little harassing going on. Cop was told to stop it or else. Know another guy who got a ticket for 2 miles over (yes, Riley County cops are real jerks). What ticked him was for once he'd actually been going under the limit. Took his car and found his speedo was about 5 miles low. Mech wrote a letter etc. Guy went to court to fight the ticket. Told us he never got to--judge looked at the ticket, glared at the cop, said something like "A lousy TWO MILES over? What the (heck) were you doing?! Dismissed!" Point of all this is, surely the entire legal system of your city/county/wherever isn't corrupt/power-mad/whatever. If you report legitimate mistreatment and then suffer worse, take it higher. Might take a lawyer (planted meth) but that would be easy enough to bust too, considering the pre-existing situation.  Next. >'Kat |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 7, 2013 8:06:55 GMT -5
...then get pulled over every other day, or have some meth planted on you. No, bad idea. BINGO! You read my mind...and what said is what I fear. Now here is what I don't get...these back country roads are riddled with Meth labs...once a week our volunteer fire Dept puts out one of their house fires. When driving down the back roads you can smell it 200-300 yards before you see a house. It has to me anyway...a strong ammonia smell sort of...I say it smells like an old dirty cat litter box on fire. Now if they can get a car for failure to use a turn signal...tail light out...or 4-5 mph over the limit. How is it that only we town folks can smell the houses that cook the stuff? Luckily there are no gun crimes....murder or violence over it like the big cities have. BUT we DON"T want it here and have even taken it to the state level. Know what the solution was? Entering and leaving town...we now have signs that say..."Warning this is part of Michigans Meth Watch Program".  Which is true...cause it seems all they do is watch...avoid the back roads where it is...hang out in town and stop ALL scooters(They don't even know the scooter laws and regs...but that is another story) So they hang out in town and cite residents for even the tiniest infraction. We did have 3 locals charged with Arson for torching 3 diff Meth labs..cause they were reported many times...and not ONE LEO ever went there. So the 3 older guys from our VFW had enough...torched the places..which after the fire was out...were found to be massive Meth labs. But of course they were charged with Arson. We are in the perfect area for it as it is all farmers that use Anhydrous Ammonia..for who knows what...can't say. I was raised on a farm and we never used it. But their 100-200 gallon tank trailers of it get stolen all the time. From what I understand it is used to make the product. What confuses me is where do they get the pseudo-fed? The local drug store makes you sign a state document to get it...you only get 1 pack of 20 and can only get it every 60 days.  That law is state wide in Michigan. They must be getting it from Canada?. All I know is they need to go after them first...before they stop me for no helmet on my 50cc scooter..where I have to reach under my seat and show them the printed out laws and regulations from the DMV site.. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 7, 2013 8:36:26 GMT -5
...then get pulled over every other day, or have some meth planted on you. No, bad idea. Don't know if this is in reply to my post or not. But my cop has never tried to "strike back" at me for filing what turned out to be a false report against him. And if the above does occur, there's such a thing as "harassment" and he can get busted for that too. Know somebody from years ago who had ticked off a cop. Cop had been pulling him over all the time, 'cause he HAD been a jerk when he was younger--admitted he probably deserved some of it, but not all the extent of it. Well, he'd had a crummy day and the cop had been harassing him the previous day, and there was the cop up the street so he gave cop The Finger. Cop busted him for driving without his glasses (which he was). Guy got that busted " 'cause how'd cop know my DL requires me wearing glasses before he stopped me" Also brought out the little harassing going on. Cop was told to stop it or else. Know another guy who got a ticket for 2 miles over (yes, Riley County cops are real jerks). What ticked him was for once he'd actually been going under the limit. Took his car and found his speedo was about 5 miles low. Mech wrote a letter etc. Guy went to court to fight the ticket. Told us he never got to--judge looked at the ticket, glared at the cop, said something like "A lousy TWO MILES over? What the (heck) were you doing?! Dismissed!" Point of all this is, surely the entire legal system of your city/county/wherever isn't corrupt/power-mad/whatever. If you report legitimate mistreatment and then suffer worse, take it higher. Might take a lawyer (planted meth) but that would be easy enough to bust too, considering the pre-existing situation. Next. >'Kat Your faith in humanity is touching...and misplaced. I WATCHED someone have his life destroyed after reporting a bent cop. It's actually quite simple: most cops are arrogant, swaggering wanna-be stormtroopers on a power trip, aspiring mostly to be the nastiest thug on the block. The most dangerous street gang in the country is the police. Note: anhydrous ammonia is used in fertilizers. |
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Post by jwm1597 on Apr 7, 2013 9:14:20 GMT -5
Do not judge the police until you have walked a mile in his shoes. I hope people understand that they are only hearing one side of the story. there is an old saying "do not believe anything you hear and only 1/2 of what you see." I wonder how many of you have the guts to try to be a police officer and hear this garbage every day of your life. The goal of every police officer is to go home tonight. Maybe you should look into the mirror to see why you are getting treated the way you are. If you come across as a smart grab hold you will be treated as a smart . I spent 31 years out there as A Texas State Trooper and AM DAMN PROUD OF IT. Now if I do not belong on this forum let me know and I will get off.
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% that get pulled over here...get a $100 ticket for no seatbelt...because instinctively we unhook so we can reach back for our wallet to get our license. They see you unhook the seatbelt..yet approach the car and inform you..."First off...I will be issuing a citation for no seatbelt"...then they go from there. One of my best friends is a State Trooper...he retired last year..and Terri said he was soooo glad to go as he got tired of their Commander pushing them to ticket for ANY infraction...as a means of revenue for the dept and state....both operating in the 'red zone'.... What they really need is to stop blowing money. Our bicycle Police ride $1,600 bikes...when they could get by just as well with a $400 Cannondale bike... it was good enough for Lance Armstrong. Then pay $1,750 for a bullet proof vest that I can buy for $475... 
