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Post by johnathonkreider on Mar 2, 2016 23:04:29 GMT -5
Hey Everyone! This is my first post here, and after reviewing the board rules, I think I'm in the right place to ask a question.
My 2007 Roketa Tahiti 150cc will ride normally, until I get it onto the road and then exceed 20mph or so. It runs pretty well when it is going that fast (at about 35mph today it actually stalled while was on the road, and I had to pull over), but when I come to a stop the scooter stalls and dies without idling. This has happened a couple of times over the last few days. I even ride it in my apartment complex a short distance, and get up to about 20mph and when I stop it stalls out.
Today I tore it apart and cleaned the carburetor, which looked like nothing was wrong with it at all. My friend and I then adjusted the idling speed (i think it's called that: I adjusted the little screw with the spring on it attached to a cable that makes the engine rev more) so that it idled just below where the wheel would spin. We WD-40'd it because it would stick a bit to much, which got it right, and it seemed to work for a little bit, but then just after, I got it up to speed and stopped, and it died.
Additional information to this: I just replaced my battery with a 12 Volt 7 Amp battery. Also, The electric starter wasn't working until I put a new battery in, and when I did, it worked for a few days, but it stopped working a couple of weeks ago.
So, I'm pretty lost on what to do. Can anyone offer any suggestions, or point me to the forum thread that would answer my question?
Thanks! -Johnathon
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Post by tortoise on Mar 3, 2016 0:10:42 GMT -5
Verify intake air filter is not obstructed.
Adjust low-speed mixture screw on side of the carb (below ° vent tube) around 2 turns out.
Check valve clearance. Test cylinder compression. Consider replacing intake manifold and insulator to deter vacuum leaks.
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Post by username on Mar 3, 2016 9:22:24 GMT -5
is it only dying when at full throttle? but fine when idling? does it struggle to start after it has died after going at speed?
sounds like your getting too much fuel at full throttle, does the ride feel jerky when you have it at full throttle before it starts to die? i would check the setting of the needle in the carb i had the very same issue yesterday and changing the setting on that solved it, it was set too low and the bike would idle fine and work ok for the first quarter of the throttle but as soon as it was opened up it was letting too much fuel through for the spark plug to handle.
easy and quick to check might be worth a look!
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 3, 2016 14:37:32 GMT -5
If it happens after it warms up, check th valve lash, probably too tight.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Mar 3, 2016 16:35:17 GMT -5
Again, New guy here... what is "th valve lash"? and how do I adjust it?
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Post by JerryScript on Mar 3, 2016 17:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by pistonguy on Mar 3, 2016 19:33:43 GMT -5
If it happens after it warms up, check th valve lash, probably too tight. She get Hotter at Throttle, Components Expand With Heat, Valve Lash Closes up and Slightly Hangs Open the Exhaust Valve. Then She dies. cools down some then she starts back up, then repeat. Adjust Valve Lash (clearance). Take your time and Triple Check you did his correctly on the Compression Stroke.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Mar 4, 2016 12:24:28 GMT -5
So an update. I adjusted the valves, and that took care of the problem of the scooter stalling when I stop (I also adjusted the idling rpms and changed the oil), but I still have a problem: after getting up to about 35mph, my engine will start to stall out, and die, regardless of how much i give it. I looked at my engine, and I see that the hose going from my air filter to my carburator is a bit frayed. Could that be the issue?
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Post by tortoise on Mar 4, 2016 14:20:24 GMT -5
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Post by johnathonkreider on Mar 4, 2016 19:11:46 GMT -5
I have checked the carburetor to make sure it moves smoothly, cleaned the jets, the float floats properly, and everything moves smoothly. Could it be an airflow problem? There's nothing that is jamming the air hose, but it is pretty frayed on the end where it attaches to the carburetor. Also, could this be related to electronics? My electric starter recently stopped working.
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Post by tortoise on Mar 4, 2016 21:29:26 GMT -5
Troubleshoot with a multi-meter. Ignition coil and CDI replacement resource . . avoid performance units.
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Post by username on Mar 6, 2016 4:14:20 GMT -5
i would imagine your CDI / coil are both ok, the fact that it starts up tells me that they are doing there job well, a bad CDI or coil would mean inconsistent spark (a bad CDI usually means no spark at all) all the time the only exception here would be unless your coil cap is loose on your spark plug and at high RPM it is vibrating enough to cause the issue you are having but i would expect to see a little bit more inconsistancy in the issue you are having if that was the case.
what does your engine need to operate? gas, air and heat. the fact your bike runs and runs well upto a certain speed tells me your engine is getting everything it needs apart from when you increase the RPM's, as you increase them you increase the ammount of fuel and air you need so i would say you are either not getting enough fuel / air through at that speed or an incorrect mixture making your engine struggle. i would quite happily rule out your coil cdi and spark plug at this point
have you had it on its centre stand at full throttle? does it struggle at all or seem to get upto a certain RPM and not want to move past that?
one way to test the air filter theory would be to (and only do this for a very short time) take the air filter off and take if for a test run when you have good weather somewhere clean no dirt or grit etc you dont want that getting your engine... if it runs fine with the air filtet off then you have found the source of your problem, clean / replace.
if its still the same with the air filter off them you can rule that out also. (check the rubber for cracks also! a small crack could be letting too much air through)
at this point we have ruled out heat (your spark plug) and air, next i would check your inlet manifold is tight and the carb is seated tight into it, if this is slightly loose then again vibration at high RPM could be moving it about allowing extra air in screwing with your air / fuel ratio and losing vaccume to the carb.
if this is all good then we move onto fuel, your carb would be the main suspect here checking your main jet would be the first thing but you said you have already done that (what did you actually use to clean the carb?) its unlikely to be your fuel lines filter or petcock valve as you are getting gas, however if your filter is blocked you may only be getting enough gas into the carb for lower RPM's it may be that your carb float bowl is emptying out faster than it can be filled due to a blocked filter at High RPM's but again this is unlikely the way to check this would be run it at high RPM's or 35mph where you have the issue for as long as possible. then check the carb float bowl if it is full theres no issue with your fuel line filter or fuel vaccume line if its empty work your way up.
do you have any spares? does your friend have a bike with the same carb? could you swap to test?
let me know how it goes and if still unsuccesfull ill come back with more ideas.
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Post by username on Mar 6, 2016 5:23:12 GMT -5
also regarding your starter motor i would check your battery levels. the starter motor drains a battery fast if your stator isnt charging your battery well enough then it cant give the starter motor the juice it needs. but your battery would have to be almost completeley flat for you not to hear anything from your starter motor, i would use a miltimeter and check if there is any power getting to the starter, it is a very simple unit 1 red power cable to it and thats it it just earths to the engine. get your multimeter probe on the connection on the starter motor and see if when you press the button you get any power to it at all.. see image at bottom to show power from battery goes through solonoid and to the starter motor. also put your multimeter on your battery and observe the voltage get it fired up and see if the voltage increases as you rev the engine. it should. anything upto about 14V is normal for the battery charging. if it doesnt change then your stator is faulty that would explain why your starter worked for a short while when you got a new battery and then stopped. this could also partly explain your issue and would also connect the 2 problems, if there is an issue with your stator then you would have issues with your battery being charged and your spark plug not firing properly. it may be it is failing and only supplying enough current to keep the battery minimally charged and to only run the engine upto a certain RPM at a high enough RPM the stator cant keep up so the spark plug cant fire well enough the engine starts getting too much fuel for the spark plug to handle the plug gets soaked and struggles to fire causing it to cut out. again see below image for explination on how the stator works.
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Post by dyoung1167 on Mar 6, 2016 11:54:47 GMT -5
you mentioned the ducting from your air filter to the carb frayed. if you mean it's letting in air then that could very well be your problem. the system is actually "tuned" so to speak. all the talk at times of opening up the intake to create power yada yada had me for the heck of it try without the filter cover on (it's only got a little hole for the intake air). any real throttle it was crap, such as you describe. i also know of many that try the little cone filters right on the carb only to throw them away and keep it stock for this exact reason. a little leak may not cause much of a problem but if torn yes.
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Post by johnathonkreider on Mar 9, 2016 21:18:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I wanted to update the situation.
So, I fixed the problem with the starter, and it works fine. I had thought that the intake was loose, but that's tighened up now. I found Alley's guide on carb tuning, and did that, which seemed to make a difference a little bit, and it would bog down a lot less, but as i took it on the road near my complex, I had it bog down while driving and die when i was going. I could barely get the thing to start at all after that, off to the side of the road!
I adjusted the a/f screw a few times. I cleaned the carb. The only thing left is that i ordered a new air hose that goes from the filter to the carb, because of a large tear i found in the carb.
Regardless of it i made the carb lean or rich, when I would quickly give the scooter gas, it would bog down, and if i held it there, it would die. But, If i gave it a quick turn, and backed off as it bogged down, and then gave it a quick turn again, the RPMs would boost right up.
Along with this, it seems to have a "popping" noise coming from inside it now.
Any ideas, suggestions?!? I got a new spark plug i will be putting in soon, and cdi, but i diubt those are the problems.
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