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by: foxrider603 - Oct 1, 2015 8:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 1, 2015 8:52:24 GMT -5
So anyone happen to know the spark plug number?
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Post by ital on Oct 1, 2015 14:57:48 GMT -5
typical gy6 engine uses the non iridium version, but I suggest this one.
NGK (7544) CR7HIX Iridium IX Spark Plug
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by: foxrider603 - Oct 1, 2015 16:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 1, 2015 16:52:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the info... Well changed the plug an all the fluids . Ordered a new filter. Smoke seems to be all cleared up
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Post by ghcoe on Oct 1, 2015 21:15:34 GMT -5
Good deal. Did you happen to smell gas when you drained the oil? I would bet gas had seeped past the carburetor while sitting for 2 years and found it's way into the crankcase. I know, it has happened on my GY6 quad while sitting over winter.
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by: foxrider603 - Oct 2, 2015 5:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 2, 2015 5:41:21 GMT -5
Didn't really notice , I did notice though that when it was smoking it had a gassie smell to it. After I had let the motor cool off I started it again an it did smoke for about 30 second to a minute then cleared right about . I repeated every few hour with the same results
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Post by rockynv on Oct 2, 2015 10:43:11 GMT -5
Does the smoke have a blue tinge to it or is it mostly gray black? Might also be time to put three ounces of a good fuel system cleaner in it (such as Berryman B12), run it until its warm and then let it soak in over night. After a few tanks you may need to adjust the idle valve on the carb.
Also you may want to consider using some of Carol Shelby's ZMax to loosen up the rings and clean up the crankcase. About 4 ounces should do it. Be mindful that you put the ZMax in and ride immediately or it will just settle and treat the metal in the bottom of the crankcase and possibly release its reactive agent as a gas. You literally need to pour it in and start up the motor the moment the dip stick is screwed back on and then ride the bike for at least 15 minutes to get it well circulated and worked in along with the heat activating it. It is made to be absorbed into the metal which is why you need to run the engine immediately to circulate it and prevent it from soaking in all in one spot so do not get it on your skin as it will be absorbed very quickly.
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by: foxrider603 - Oct 2, 2015 11:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 2, 2015 11:04:48 GMT -5
Can you pick that stuff up at AutoZone or similar store? An its difficult to figure out the color, its kind of in the middle of gray an blueish
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by: pistonguy - Oct 2, 2015 11:49:58 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Oct 2, 2015 11:49:58 GMT -5
Does the smoke have a blue tinge to it or is it mostly gray black? Might also be time to put three ounces of a good fuel system cleaner in it (such as Berryman B12), run it until its warm and then let it soak in over night. After a few tanks you may need to adjust the idle valve on the carb. Also you may want to consider using some of Carol Shelby's ZMax to loosen up the rings and clean up the crankcase. About 4 ounces should do it. Be mindful that you put the ZMax in and ride immediately or it will just settle and treat the metal in the bottom of the crankcase and possibly release its reactive agent as a gas. You literally need to pour it in and start up the motor the moment the dip stick is screwed back on and then ride the bike for at least 15 minutes to get it well circulated and worked in along with the heat activating it. It is made to be absorbed into the metal which is why you need to run the engine immediately to circulate it and prevent it from soaking in all in one spot so do not get it on your skin as it will be absorbed very quickly. A Whole Bunch of Mechanic in a Can RUN from Z-Max Carol's dead as should be this crp. Not going to have gummed up rings mumbo jumbo. Most Likely the Cylinder Bore got Rusty from condensation. In this case there is No Mechanic in a can thats going to fix it. Don't waste your time or money.
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by: foxrider603 - Oct 2, 2015 12:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 2, 2015 12:50:26 GMT -5
Does the smoke have a blue tinge to it or is it mostly gray black? Might also be time to put three ounces of a good fuel system cleaner in it (such as Berryman B12), run it until its warm and then let it soak in over night. After a few tanks you may need to adjust the idle valve on the carb. Also you may want to consider using some of Carol Shelby's ZMax to loosen up the rings and clean up the crankcase. About 4 ounces should do it. Be mindful that you put the ZMax in and ride immediately or it will just settle and treat the metal in the bottom of the crankcase and possibly release its reactive agent as a gas. You literally need to pour it in and start up the motor the moment the dip stick is screwed back on and then ride the bike for at least 15 minutes to get it well circulated and worked in along with the heat activating it. It is made to be absorbed into the metal which is why you need to run the engine immediately to circulate it and prevent it from soaking in all in one spot so do not get it on your skin as it will be absorbed very quickly. A Whole Bunch of Mechanic in a Can RUN from Z-Max Carol's dead as should be this crp. Not going to have gummed up rings mumbo jumbo. Most Likely the Cylinder Bore got Rusty from condensation. In this case there is No Mechanic in a can thats going to fix it. Don't waste your time or money. So then what do you suggest
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Post by rockynv on Oct 3, 2015 5:49:58 GMT -5
If you don't know you don't know. Indy drivers have been using it for years however you do have to follow directions.
I have seen it free up varnished rings and sticky valves resolving many issues with engines that have sat too long. It will not fix worn out rings or bores or bent/burnt valves however it does clean and free things up when used correctly.
I could understand if I recommended some form of putty to coat the cylinder bore and piston to restore compression instead of a micro lubricant and cleaner that can free things up so that things can work as originally designed and intended.
The last naysayer just stood there with his mouth open when the engine that he was going to have to rebuild just smoothed out and ran properly within a few minutes of our pouring a few ounces of Zmax in it and continued to do so for a good many years. It was a 16 hp pull that had been sitting on a shelf for too many years so it had a few issues with things sticking. He kept repeating that his friends said it doesn't work while standing there watching it work as the rest of us expected it to.
Most reputable parts stores along with Walmart carry it.
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by: geh3333 - Oct 3, 2015 6:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by geh3333 on Oct 3, 2015 6:11:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the info... Well changed the plug an all the fluids . Ordered a new filter. Smoke seems to be all cleared up New fuel filter , but the oil does not have a real "filter" . it has a screen that usually doesn't have to be replaced , just cleaned out.
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by: foxrider603 - Oct 3, 2015 9:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by foxrider603 on Oct 3, 2015 9:35:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the info... Well changed the plug an all the fluids . Ordered a new filter. Smoke seems to be all cleared up New fuel filter , but the oil does not have a real "filter" . it has a screen that usually doesn't have to be replaced , just cleaned out. Air filter bud, ordered a new air filter
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by: pistonguy - Oct 3, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
Post by pistonguy on Oct 3, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
If you don't know you don't know. Indy drivers have been using it for years however you do have to follow directions. I have seen it free up varnished rings and sticky valves resolving many issues with engines that have sat too long. It will not fix worn out rings or bores or bent/burnt valves however it does clean and free things up when used correctly. I could understand if I recommended some form of putty to coat the cylinder bore and piston to restore compression instead of a micro lubricant and cleaner that can free things up so that things can work as originally designed and intended. The last naysayer just stood there with his mouth open when the engine that he was going to have to rebuild just smoothed out and ran properly within a few minutes of our pouring a few ounces of Zmax in it and continued to do so for a good many years. It was a 16 hp pull that had been sitting on a shelf for too many years so it had a few issues with things sticking. He kept repeating that his friends said it doesn't work while standing there watching it work as the rest of us expected it to. Most reputable parts stores along with Walmart carry it. Indy drivers huh? We certainly enjoyed spending there sponsorship dollars but no product went into race cars. Methanol motors only run a rules approved coolant/lubricant additive to the Methanol itself. I'm gunna skip the issues of the slickie stuff and cylinder seal along with naming supplier corps. Hers a nice example of a Exh Valve that has had the Entire Pars Store Chemical rack thrown at it. just marketing mumbo jumba. And why would one take a engine apart and find this a some gummed full oil ring and Put it Back Together and Pour in Mechanic in a can? so one really doesn't know if or how well this stuff works.
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Post by rockynv on Oct 4, 2015 11:16:12 GMT -5
I have worked on and maintain small engines for many years and do know how the specified product does and does not work. The engines we use it in generally stay cleaner and have fewer problems with internal parts gumming up and sticking. Carbon on the combustion side of valve stems will not be cured such as in the case of that one in the picture you showed which was allowed to run to go way too long before addressing the issue.
For getting a stored engine that has not been used in a while freed up the product works quite well. Joe Lencki was well known for his Indy engines and his Lenkite products were even used in the aircraft industries where engines see much tougher conditions than the typical GY6 thats gotten a little sticky and needs some help to free it up.
My stuff generally runs for decades with few problems compared to that of others who scoff so I am doing some things right.
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by: geh3333 - Oct 4, 2015 21:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by geh3333 on Oct 4, 2015 21:56:26 GMT -5
New fuel filter , but the oil does not have a real "filter" . it has a screen that usually doesn't have to be replaced , just cleaned out. Air filter bud, ordered a new air filter Oh yeh , that filter , lol. Was it covered in oil ?
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