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Post by geh3333 on Apr 4, 2015 1:54:13 GMT -5
Check out the pic of this koso , the ramps are not cut about as long as the one above . its for a 150cc and being sold on eBay .  |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 4, 2015 1:55:55 GMT -5
They maybe just as long but it is all together another different cast.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 4, 2015 2:03:13 GMT -5
Hey rcq , was that the dlh variator you posted in comparison to the k&s ? If so that explains the difference from the pic I just posted of the koso. I was thinking the dlh and the Koso's being sold were just about identical , but the more we inspect them the more differences we find.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 7, 2015 23:20:22 GMT -5
My k&s variator will be here 2moro , well actually 2day since its after 12am. I hope my belt makes it here 2moro.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 8, 2015 16:32:38 GMT -5
I ordered 2 items from PR " the k&s variator and two new nuts for the clutch and variator , I guess that's 3 items , but 2 packages " they both left Warrendale pa within minutes of each other " around 4am " but for some reason the variator never made it to the local post office today. I did receive the nuts and I also received the new gates kevlar belt today . the belt looks good and came with the sleeve . I'll post a pic in a bit.
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Post by rcq92130 on Apr 9, 2015 13:36:08 GMT -5
Hey rcq , was that the dlh variator you posted in comparison to the k&s ? If so that explains the difference from the pic I just posted of the koso. I was thinking the dlh and the Koso's being sold were just about identical , but the more we inspect them the more differences we find. Yep, that was el cheapo |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 9, 2015 15:58:12 GMT -5
Hey rcq , was that the dlh variator you posted in comparison to the k&s ? If so that explains the difference from the pic I just posted of the koso. I was thinking the dlh and the Koso's being sold were just about identical , but the more we inspect them the more differences we find. Yep, that was el cheapo I just got got the k&s in , and it looks promising. The face is very clean no nicks or gouges. It weighs 246 grams which is much lighter then the Koso's . take a look at the pics. Check out how little meat is left where the boss slides in compared to the Koso's. Also the Koso's I have been receiving are just like the dlh you posted rcq.  .  |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 9, 2015 16:00:29 GMT -5
I'll post pics to show if the belt drops fully in the variator or not. I'm expecting it to.
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Post by rcq92130 on Apr 9, 2015 16:29:52 GMT -5
I'll post pics to show if the belt drops fully in the variator or not. I'm expecting it to. PRETTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 9, 2015 18:16:31 GMT -5
I'll post pics to show if the belt drops fully in the variator or not. I'm expecting it to. PRETTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First pic is the koso and old gates Kevlar. Second pic is the new k&s with the new gates Kevlar. U can see the belt travels noticeably higher on the clutch with the k&s . also take in mind the new belt is not even broken in yet and already is riding higher on the clutch , which also means it has to be riding lower in the k&s then the koso. I couldn't tell any noticeable difference in ramp length between the two . here are some pics.  .  [/URL .  |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 9, 2015 18:18:46 GMT -5
It seems to riding 4 to 5mm higher on the clutch then with the koso. So far so good . now I just need to wait for a dry day to test her out.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 9, 2015 20:49:36 GMT -5
PRETTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First pic is the koso and old gates Kevlar. Second pic is the new k&s with the new gates Kevlar. U can see the belt travels noticeably higher on the clutch with the k&s . also take in mind the new belt is not even broken in yet and already is riding higher on the clutch , which also means it has to be riding lower in the k&s then the koso. I couldn't tell any noticeable difference in ramp length between the two . here are some pics. . [/URL . I don't think I wrote enough about this k&s variator. Yes I can not varify performance yet , however so far this variator is far above the koso/DLH variators being sold . how much does the weight of the variator come into play ? I'm not sure at this point but considering its 20 to 46 grams lighter then the cheap variators " depending on which koso I compare it to . the more recent the heavier the koso has been . my most recent Koso's have weighed 292 grams which is 46 grams heavier then the K&S . that almost like having an extra set of 8 gram roller weights that just hanging out in the variator all the time , of course the weight is stationary but its still a lot of extra weight. I believe I have just shown that the thinner the variator face is at the boss port , the further down the belt will drop in the variator. My first koso was also like this and the belt dropped fully in it. However the first koso I bought was still heavier then the K&S by about 20 grams. All I can say so far is that the K&S seems to be of much better quality and from a manufacturer who takes pride in the finished product , of course this is the first one I've seen , but so far its good news. I like the fact that this variator actually fits the cvt to spec. Meaning no need for the shims which i look at as something made just incase you get a variator that dosent work the way its suppose to. That's about it so far , next will be the road test. I'm starting off with a 10.5 gram mixture of the K&S roller weights. |
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Post by rcq92130 on Apr 10, 2015 0:42:34 GMT -5
First pic is the koso and old gates Kevlar. Second pic is the new k&s with the new gates Kevlar. U can see the belt travels noticeably higher on the clutch with the k&s . also take in mind the new belt is not even broken in yet and already is riding higher on the clutch , which also means it has to be riding lower in the k&s then the koso. I couldn't tell any noticeable difference in ramp length between the two . here are some pics. . [/URL . I don't think I wrote enough about this k&s variator. Yes I can not varify performance yet , however so far this variator is far above the koso/DLH variators being sold . how much does the weight of the variator come into play ? I'm not sure at this point but considering its 20 to 46 grams lighter then the cheap variators " depending on which koso I compare it to . the more recent the heavier the koso has been . my most recent Koso's have weighed 292 grams which is 46 grams heavier then the K&S . that almost like having an extra set of 8 gram roller weights that just hanging out in the variator all the time , of course the weight is stationary but its still a lot of extra weight. I believe I have just shown that the thinner the variator face is at the boss port , the further down the belt will drop in the variator. My first koso was also like this and the belt dropped fully in it. However the first koso I bought was still heavier then the K&S by about 20 grams. All I can say so far is that the K&S seems to be of much better quality and from a manufacturer who takes pride in the finished product , of course this is the first one I've seen , but so far its good news. I like the fact that this variator actually fits the cvt to spec. Meaning no need for the shims which i look at as something made just incase you get a variator that dosent work the way its suppose to. That's about it so far , next will be the road test. I'm starting off with a 10.5 gram mixture of the K&S roller weights. Nice looking variator! Did you have the chance to do any further measurements before mounting it up. That's a hard thing to do - when we get stuff we want to go out right away and see how it works! Looks like there is almost ZERO inner "dead zone". I also like the trim boss part of the casting. Would be nice to have some measurements of that! Can't wait to hear the results. Why rollers instead of sliders. I thought "the science was settled" about the advantages of rollers ... And why on earth are you running the belt BACKWARDS (top photo, old variator)? |
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 10, 2015 3:52:36 GMT -5
Yeah there is just about no dead zone at the base of the variator. I'll have to do the face measurements later , I couldn't wait to see if the belt would drop further in the variator or not. I guess if performance sucks i can take it out and measure her. For now I'll let the pics and road performance do the talking, then I'll have to get to the measurements , dam- that's going to bother me now " not measuring before I installed it " !
Lol , yeah I always flip the belt after so many miles, not sure why , just habit I guess. I actually love the performance of sliders but I've had to many flip out of place on me , so no more sliders for me.
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Post by geh3333 on Apr 10, 2015 21:44:56 GMT -5
This K&S is a completely different maalchine then the cheap koso and dlh variators . wow , I took her out just a bit ago " after spending 7hrs replacing the trackers CV axle " and the 10.5 gram weights were too light , so I tried 11.5 and still too light. I'm going up hills with 11.5 gram weights hitting 7300 rpms and cruising up hills. I'm going to have to go up to 12.5 and see how she does. What I think is happening is the variator is so light that the engine is spinning the weights so much easier . I'm even getting decent belt climb for only reaching 50mph at nearly 8000 rpms. I'll post a pic of the belt climb in a few.
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