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Post by devinchasteen15 on Jan 31, 2015 14:51:55 GMT -5
Wow!! Ok do this to at least ground the motor to the frame. Take that THICK green wire that is connected to the Bolt on the Valve cover take the other END and find a BOLT on the frame and connect it there. Then Find Follow the Wire from the NEGATIVE POST on the battery and also go to the same spot on the FRAME as the THICK GREEN from the motor. That at least will give you good ground to both and anything. On a scoot normally the STOP LIGHT wire is GREEN and YELLOW as is the wire going to the SOLENOID. All green wires are all GROUND WIRES on 99% percent of the scoots some of the OLD scoots used BLACK as ground but the CHINO scoots all use GREEN for ground. Alleyoop OK I getting ready to go to the garage. I will do that with the wire. I'll take pictures of the can shaft And the fly wheel. I feel like were getting close to something  . |
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Post by alleyoop on Jan 31, 2015 15:32:16 GMT -5
HAHAHA, I sure hope so too and get that thing to fire.
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Post by devinchasteen15 on Feb 1, 2015 4:21:36 GMT -5
HAHAHA, I sure hope so too and get that thing to fire. When I got to the garage today the scoot wouldn't even turn over! Lol I guess we got closer to another problem HAHA. |
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Post by devinchasteen15 on Feb 1, 2015 4:23:00 GMT -5
HAHAHA, I sure hope so too and get that thing to fire. All it is doing is just a single click from the starter solenoid when I press the starter button. When I left the garage I put it on a float charger. Hopefully its just a dead battery. |
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Post by devinchasteen15 on Feb 1, 2015 4:25:07 GMT -5
Seeing as we have gone through a lot and still will not start. At this point I suspect it may be out of time. So take off the valve cover line up the cam sprocket with the TWO little holes even with the head. And then Take a Picture of it aligned so we can see that your doing it correct and no questions asked THEN move down to the Flywheel and take a Picture of the Flywheel and where the timing mark on the case is pointing to on the flywheel. Other than that at this point I cannot thing of anything else that we have not gone through. Alleyoop like these pictures:     |
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Post by lain on Feb 1, 2015 5:18:19 GMT -5
HAHAHA, I sure hope so too and get that thing to fire. All it is doing is just a single click from the starter solenoid when I press the starter button. When I left the garage I put it on a float charger. Hopefully its just a dead battery. Just clicks the starter solenoid? After you check the battery try checking the starter motor to see if it is working, or have you already checked that? I check to make sure the starter motor is working by opening the CVT cover and removing the bendix, it is hard to do, you have to pull it out and slide it aside at a very specific angle to remove it without removing the variator but it is possible and I have done it on a few different scooters. With the bendix removed even if you have a low battery the starter motor should turn and you'll hear a "whizzzz" sound. I once had to take apart my starter motor because the positive terminal inside the shaft came out because it was worn really low and had become stuck up on the shaft. Take a look at this manual www.mediafire.com/view/r4u78zz22u3lrhy/GY6Manual.pdfOn page 116 (or page 120 in adobe reader for some reason) it shows the starter motor in pieces, you will notice on the bottom there are 2 small metal box things with wires connected to them. Those wires are what powers the electric starter motor, it connects to these plates and supplies power, it is basically a magnetic electric motor, similar to that which makes your PS4 controller vibrate, haha! Not sure if you already checked those, joining the conversation late. |
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Post by ramblinman on Feb 1, 2015 8:58:58 GMT -5
Seeing as we have gone through a lot and still will not start. At this point I suspect it may be out of time. So take off the valve cover line up the cam sprocket with the TWO little holes even with the head. And then Take a Picture of it aligned so we can see that your doing it correct and no questions asked THEN move down to the Flywheel and take a Picture of the Flywheel and where the timing mark on the case is pointing to on the flywheel. Other than that at this point I cannot thing of anything else that we have not gone through. Alleyoop like these pictures: it's difficult to tell from the angle you took the picture but i think alley was right. i don't see any markings on the flywheel. i would take another pic with a better angle to be certain but i think you will have to loosen the head and rotate the engine. edit: i blew up my screen and could see the markings. it does appear to be off a little but not that much so i don't know if that is the problem. Alley will have to give his expert advice when he sees it. |
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 1, 2015 10:26:50 GMT -5
If the line on the flywheel is above the T then it does look a tooth off..I never worked on a 50,,that is what this is right?
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Post by lain on Feb 1, 2015 11:38:17 GMT -5
it's difficult to tell from the angle you took the picture but i think alley was right. i don't see any markings on the flywheel. i would take another pic with a better angle to be certain but i think you will have to loosen the head and rotate the engine. edit: i blew up my screen and could see the markings. it does appear to be off a little but not that much so i don't know if that is the problem. Alley will have to give his expert advice when he sees it. It does look like the marking may be slightly off, but mine is slightly off as well when I let it rest at what FEELS like TDC. To make sure it is right I stick a roll of paper towels or wires in between the flywheel and the engine casing to provide a hold while I put the chain on to avoid the possibility of it being off. |
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 1, 2015 12:45:56 GMT -5
If you expand the pictures you can make out the "T" and "F" markings. And It looks like the casing is pointing past the LINE for the "T" which is a little off if so. So I would try this: First mark the chain and tooth then move the chain over 1 tooth toward the exhaust that should then get the case pointer to point by the "T" To retard it a little . Alleyoop  |
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Post by devinchasteen15 on Feb 1, 2015 19:14:09 GMT -5
Scooter just clicking at solenoid:
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 1, 2015 20:26:39 GMT -5
Do you have 12v at the red wire on the starter when you hit the button? If so,,I bet the starter motor is done finally from all that beating it took..lol If my motor doesn't start within the first 5 seconds I find out what is wrong with it,,be it no fuel,spark or compression before I crank it anymore..never understood why people would crank a battery dead so many times over... You might need a new starter now,,so after you get that make sure you have the timing dead nuts, spark,compression,and fuel first.I guarantee it will fire up..  |
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 1, 2015 22:44:45 GMT -5
If it clicks it is usually the SOLENOID So test the solenoid: TOUCH BOTH TERMINALS ON THE SOLENID WITH A SCREWDRIVER IF IT SPINS YOUR STARTER THE SOLENOID IS BAD.  ALSO THE MOTOR GROUND SHOULD BE GROUNDED TO THE FRAME NOT THE BATTERY.  |
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Post by lain on Feb 2, 2015 3:27:12 GMT -5
If it clicks it is usually the SOLENOID So test the solenoid: TOUCH BOTH TERMINALS ON THE SOLENID WITH A SCREWDRIVER IF IT SPINS YOUR STARTER THE SOLENOID IS BAD. ALSO THE MOTOR GROUND SHOULD BE GROUNDED TO THE FRAME NOT THE BATTERY. Not all the time does clicking mean the solenoid is not working or bad. Mine clicks and also works perfectly fine. If it is like my old starter motor was the start motor may need to be repaired or replaced. Take a look at that manual I posted further up on the page if you need to repair the starter motor devinchasteen15 . |
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 2, 2015 12:44:28 GMT -5
Best way to troubleshoot starter motor is to jump the solenoid like Alley said,,also checking for supply voltage at the starter lug while starter button is engaged.
Good grounding also...
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..BAD TO THE BONE..
