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Post by nate7504 on Mar 23, 2013 8:28:33 GMT -5
Hello all,I'm going to order a free flowing air filter for my 150cc,what size main jet should I use,or a good starting point at least? It's stock now and I don't have any signs of running lean except for some small backfiring if I'm at max rpm then snap the throttle shut rapidly,but I am assuming that's due to my aftermarket exhaust.thanks in advance for any input!
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Post by woowilly on Mar 23, 2013 15:20:17 GMT -5
I've read stock is typically 105 or 108. my original main jet was unmarked. and caused it to die when the throttle was even slowly opened when cold, when warm it backfired through carb and/or occasionally died getting off idle and rpm went up and down due to the lean surgeing at part throttle with the rear wheel off the ground as it struggled to rev up. ( I didn't even try riding it since it ran so bad and I know from experience the effects of lean mixtures are even worse under load. ) I went to 112.5 with all else stock. 110 was a hair lean, 112.5 was a hair rich, 115 was sloppy rich. After gutting my muffler to remove the restriction it acts a hair lean getting off idle 'till it warms up. ( I haven't had time to play with the carb since de-restricting my muffler. sparklug readings looks right after a high speed run and after letting it idle 15 minutes, no idle fouling that'll make it hard to restart after extended idling before shutdown, so I'm pretty close ) My suggestion would be to get a 112.5, 115, and 117.5 and try the 115 first. then the others. if the 112.5 or 117.5 is better , go buy the next size in the direction you went and try that. once you figure out where too rich and too lean is, install the one in the middle. If two in the middle, go with the richer one. I also went to a 38 idle jet which made the mixture screw work like it should. 2 turns out is was best, 1/2 turn less caused rpm drop due to too lean, 1/2 turn more caused rpm drop due to too rich. ( before changing it, I could open the idle mixture screw 'till it fell out without ever getting too rich at idle which made it impossible to find the best spot to set it. )
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 23, 2013 15:58:07 GMT -5
I would never try to tune a carburator with only one jet. I these Air cooled engines need to run a litte rich. They come from the factory far to lean to run right. A lean mixture runs hot and they are marginally cooled to begin with. anything you do to make them run faster other than richen the mixtrue makes them run hotter. So I like to see a little puff of balck smoke when I hit the throttle and a plug showng signs of richness after hard runs. If she starts to fowl the plug too often, then consider a slightly smaller main jet. Good luck Lefty2
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 23, 2013 16:07:36 GMT -5
The rule of thumb is 2 sizes bigger on the main jet for a free flow filter and if a performance exhaust is added bump up the main jet by 2 more sizes . Just about all the 150s come with a 24mm carb and a #35 pilot jet is really all you need. With a #35 the adjustment falls in between 2-3 turns out depending on if it is winter or summer.
If your adjustment on the Fuel Ratio Mixture are way off from 2-3 turns in or out Check your valves they most likely need to be adjusted and your trying to compensate for the bad running with the Fuel Mixture when its the valves that need attention. Alleyoop
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Mar 23, 2013 21:49:41 GMT -5
With my setup, I went with a 125 main, and I feel I'm a bit rich at the moment. I know with winter, the colder, denser air needs a little more fuel, but I feel I'm a bit TOO rich. lol Thinking I may drop to a 120. It runs real good on the low side, and idles great all day long. But the top-end falls a bit short and feels like it never gets up there, and is taking fooooooooor-ever to hit top speed.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 23, 2013 21:56:02 GMT -5
Yea, you way to rich on the main, just for example my motor has a 62mm with a 60mm stroker crank and it runs like a scared ape with a 122.5 main a 125 it runs rich, have a #38 for th pilot. It runs with a 120 but I play on the save side for the top end.
You are killing your power on the high end with such a big main jet. Alleyoop
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Mar 23, 2013 22:44:03 GMT -5
Yeah, plan on pulling the carb and doing that tomorrow
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Post by gy6girl on Mar 24, 2013 15:48:28 GMT -5
Just to throw up my stats on the subject for comparison...
Tank 150cc with high performance parts - 115 main jet was too much, 109 main jet works great.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 24, 2013 16:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Mar 24, 2013 16:46:05 GMT -5
gy6girl,
What are the specs on your scoot? mine are in my sig, but now I am down to a 120 main, and it runs alot better. IIRC, my A/F screw is around 1.5 - 1.75 turns out, and she runs real good. Even in this super-blustery cold 28F weather, I got it up to 68 mph. However I stopped when my fingers and knuckles became completely numb. lol
I also no longer get any after-fire in the exhaust, which is a huge sign that I was running rich to begin with.
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Post by jeffery5568 on Mar 24, 2013 17:51:39 GMT -5
What is after fire?
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Mar 24, 2013 18:56:57 GMT -5
Afterfire occurs when un-combusted fuel ends up in the exhaust and is detonated in the header rather than in the combustion chamber. This occurs when the a/f mixture is too rich.
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Post by gy6girl on Mar 24, 2013 19:18:07 GMT -5
The scooter I am working on currently is a... 2007 Tank scooter touring de 150cc High performance air filter High performance CDI Coil and cable are new, but normal. New regular belt But I don't know anything about the clutch. I can't get the nut off there, and I have a professional grade impact wrench. All I'm doing is banging up the nut and rounding it over. The sliders were 12g, but I lowered them to 10g, that made it slower, so I just ordered a new variator with 13g rollers.
I put a 115 jet on there and it was too rich that there were times it wasn't able to ignite the gas from being so rich. Just a stock carb on there, so I lowered it down to a 109 and runs without a problem.
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Post by woowilly on Mar 24, 2013 21:26:13 GMT -5
to keep from rounding off the corners on extreemly tight nuts with an impact wrench always use a 6 point socket not a 12 point socket. Also don't be afraid to tap a slightly tight fitting SAE socket down on a metric nut or bolt. Just wiggle the socket off once it breaks free then switch to a looser fitting metric one. Switching from 12g to 10g rollers should have helped acceleration by keeping engine rpm a little higher as the variator transitions from low to high gearing. If it hurt top end, you need more engine power at higher rpm to spin the engine faster which'll force the variator all the way out to the highest gear ratio. You're proably running about the same engine rpm at top speed as before but geared lower now.
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