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Post by rcq92130 on Dec 27, 2014 2:43:50 GMT -5
I have a carb with an enricher circuit whose body is part of the carb casting (not a screwed on attachment to the carb):  The enricher HAS to go. Not only do i not need it (san diego) ... it sends my RPMs up to about 4K --- right at the edge of triggering the clutch. Can feel it trying to grab; clutch life no doubt being seriously compromised. With the OEM (tiny) carb that came with my 150cc GY6 scooter all you had to do was remove the enricher body from the carb and put a piece of gasket material between the two, then screw the enricher back in place. Presto - enricher disabled. But with this carb there is nothing to unscrew - the enricher and crab castings are one and the same. Simply unplugging the thing will NOT do what I need .... right? So what's the best way to disable this idiotic thing? |
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 2:57:47 GMT -5
U can connect it directly to the battery and turn it on a min or two before you start it . only turn it off if the scoot sits awhile. Connect it with a switch of course.
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 2:59:18 GMT -5
U can connect it directly to the battery and turn it on a min or two before you start it . only turn it off if the scoot sits awhile. Connect it with a switch of course. This way by the time u start the scoot it will already be closed off. |
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 3:00:38 GMT -5
U can connect it directly to the battery and turn it on a min or two before you start it . only turn it off if the scoot sits awhile. Connect it with a switch of course. This way by the time u start the scoot it will already be closed off. Or if u can remove it u can then fill it with jb weld. |
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Post by rcq92130 on Dec 27, 2014 3:24:23 GMT -5
Can't recall how these things work. There MUST be a simple way to just hack the thing and make it always off ....
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 3:54:28 GMT -5
Can't recall how these things work. There MUST be a simple way to just hack the thing and make it always off .... They are open and letting in fuel until they begin to warm up and the plunger closes off the fuel inlet. So if u connect it directly to the battery with a switch u can turn it on ahead of starting the scoot and if you wait a couple mins before starting the scoot it will be closed off so no extra fuel will be sent through the carb at startup. |
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 4:09:54 GMT -5
U can also use it as a cruise control. Let's say u have it hooked to the battery with a switch , as your riding you can turn the switch off and the enricher will begin to open letting in more fuel you can then let off the throttle and cruise down the road at 4000 rpms . lol
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Post by lain on Dec 27, 2014 4:32:40 GMT -5
U can also use it as a cruise control. Let's say u have it hooked to the battery with a switch , as your riding you can turn the switch off and the enricher will begin to open letting in more fuel you can then let off the throttle and cruise down the road at 4000 rpms . lol Yeah but then slowing down will take a bit as the fuel passing by the needle would cool the needle down right? By the time he flips it back he'll have to plan ahead by about 2 minutes. It does seem like an annoying problem, but if there really is no way to separate the carb and the enricher I would just do what geh is suggesting and just wire it up so you can switch it on and off as you please and just turn it on a couple minutes before the scoot. |
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Post by geh3333 on Dec 27, 2014 4:43:03 GMT -5
U can also use it as a cruise control. Let's say u have it hooked to the battery with a switch , as your riding you can turn the switch off and the enricher will begin to open letting in more fuel you can then let off the throttle and cruise down the road at 4000 rpms . lol Yeah but then slowing down will take a bit as the fuel passing by the needle would cool the needle down right? By the time he flips it back he'll have to plan ahead by about 2 minutes. It does seem like an annoying problem, but if there really is no way to separate the carb and the enricher I would just do what geh is suggesting and just wire it up so you can switch it on and off as you please and just turn it on a couple minutes before the scoot. I was kinda joking , but it would take a few mins to open back up so he could cruise at 4000 rpms , but then again the fuel would possibly cool it down quicker so he could cruise sooner. If he wanted to shut it down all he'd have to do is turn it back on and hit the throttle . it will warm up and close off as he is riding. |
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Post by lain on Dec 27, 2014 4:48:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why they would make a carb that has irremovable enricher though. I agree that there must be SOME way to remove it... I mean everything is removeable if you have the right tools ;p Maybe cut it off and weld the holes closed?
Either way, after going through all of my crud with my starting issues and having always got my scooter running after it breaking down I believe now there "if there's a will, there's a way."
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Post by rcq92130 on Dec 27, 2014 9:17:30 GMT -5
So I guess what I'll have to think about doing is to convert this absurd "electric melt wax" enricher to a cable operated manual one. Here is what the internals of the enricher looks like:  The circuit is normally "ON" {!!!!  !!!!!}, meaning when you first turn the ignition on the enricher is set to aloow extra fuel and air into the carb. Then, over the next few minutes, the electric part warms a special wax that melts and allows the plunger to descend and block the fuel and air passages, turning the enricher "off". Only in Asia would such a kludge be designed! Here is a commercial "convert to manual cable" deal that does, supposedly, just that:  This way you can have the choke handle come through a hole where you want (for me, above the gas cap between the legs, in front of the engine compartment) and control the enricher as needed. The alternative is to somehow just plug the whole thing up with JB Weld and attach the choke cable to the throttle (my carb has an extra slot for this next to where the throttle cable attaches) and run a normal "choke" that simply opens up the throttle a bit. |
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Post by lain on Dec 27, 2014 11:36:34 GMT -5
So I guess what I'll have to think about doing is to convert this absurd "electric melt wax" enricher to a cable operated manual one. Here is what the internals of the enricher looks like: The circuit is normally "ON" {!!!! !!!!!}, meaning when you first turn the ignition on the enricher is set to aloow extra fuel and air into the carb. Then, over the next few minutes, the electric part warms a special wax that melts and allows the plunger to descend and block the fuel and air passages, turning the enricher "off". Only in Asia would such a kludge be designed! Here is a commercial "convert to manual cable" deal that does, supposedly, just that: This way you can have the choke handle come through a hole where you want (for me, above the gas cap between the legs, in front of the engine compartment) and control the enricher as needed. The alternative is to somehow just plug the whole thing up with JB Weld and attach the choke cable to the throttle (my carb has an extra slot for this next to where the throttle cable attaches) and run a normal "choke" that simply opens up the throttle a bit. Looks like a good idea, converting it to manual.I think I might do that too eventually, it would be nice to be able to press a button and get extra gas when you need it. |
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Post by JoeyBee on Dec 27, 2014 12:34:42 GMT -5
So I guess what I'll have to think about doing is to convert this absurd "electric melt wax" enricher to a cable operated manual one. Here is what the internals of the enricher looks like: The circuit is normally "ON" {!!!! !!!!!}, meaning when you first turn the ignition on the enricher is set to aloow extra fuel and air into the carb. Then, over the next few minutes, the electric part warms a special wax that melts and allows the plunger to descend and block the fuel and air passages, turning the enricher "off". Only in Asia would such a kludge be designed! Here is a commercial "convert to manual cable" deal that does, supposedly, just that: This way you can have the choke handle come through a hole where you want (for me, above the gas cap between the legs, in front of the engine compartment) and control the enricher as needed. The alternative is to somehow just plug the whole thing up with JB Weld and attach the choke cable to the throttle (my carb has an extra slot for this next to where the throttle cable attaches) and run a normal "choke" that simply opens up the throttle a bit. Looks like a good idea, converting it to manual.I think I might do that too eventually, it would be nice to be able to press a button and get extra gas when you need it. I like the idea of manual choke also. I seen kits for them online, and they appear to be a simple install. My thought is the less electronic parts the better. Simplicity is beautiful. |
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Post by jerseyboy on Dec 27, 2014 13:55:45 GMT -5
The factory enricher is a waste of time IMO,,they should have just put a normal manual butterfly choke on these..the enricher does little to nothing when its below 30 degrees,,times like that need some real fuel supply.
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Post by lain on Dec 27, 2014 17:51:44 GMT -5
Found this guide on creating your own manual choke, looks like it could work for this maybe since it does not need the enricher part of the carb to be removed, just the autochoke that slides into the carb. sobisource.com/gy6-manual-choke-conversion/What do you think? Good? |
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