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Post by kernelsandirs on Oct 8, 2014 10:52:48 GMT -5
I think the bike is in km so 5000km or like 3100mi km is on the top of the speedometer so likely eh? :-)
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Post by blue on Oct 8, 2014 17:27:47 GMT -5
Ya replace the clutch.
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Post by kernelsandirs on Nov 19, 2014 12:24:51 GMT -5
Well I broke another belt today, the old one had only about 700 miles on it. strangely the issues I had with the rumble feeling and all had smoothed out after I broke in the old belt, however the old clutch I think was slipping quite a bit, and I think I may have had a very small warping on one of the clutch drive plates. Also turns out the mileage is in fact listed in miles so I am now at 5500 miles on that clutch, but I think I damaged it when trying to remove the variator the first time(wedging a hammer between the clutch plates and the starter gear to try and turn the nut)
Sooo, haven't opened it but I am sure I am in for the same issue of broken belt, this time I am going to replace the clutch and belt, will check the variator plates for any rough spots etc, also my closest scooter parts place sells me overpriced no name parts so that was probably also a factor. Gonna try to get to a trusted shop today.
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Post by rcq92130 on Nov 19, 2014 13:11:35 GMT -5
I suggest you go to Harbor Freight before going back at either the clutch or variator ..
They have an ELECTRIC impact wrench, run off a car cig. lighter (12VDC) that is intended to take off the lug nuts on your car's wheels. The included sockets include on just right for the variator nut; electric so no compressor or air hose needed, and only about $20. With this you need not do anything to keep the variator or clutch from moving; the nut will come off just fine.
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Post by kernelsandirs on Nov 19, 2014 15:06:43 GMT -5
LOL, well back when I originally could not get the nut off I did end up getting an air compressor and wrench from Harbor Freight which worked great, but now I had my wife bring it to me filled with air(since I was stranded kinda) and it was not enough air to get it off :-(
So maybe I will swing by Harbor Freight to get an electric one, otherwise I have to walk the bike at least two miles to a gas station that is cool enough to let me use power. :-)
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Post by JerryScript on Nov 20, 2014 1:42:31 GMT -5
Yep, that cheapo Harbor Freight 12v impact wrench is the single best tool purchase I've made for my scooter. Fits under my seat, and I installed a cigarette lighter adaptor direct to the battery (with an inline fuse), so I can do road side repairs. I keep a spare belt and my stock variator/weights under the seat as well, so I can change out anything that breaks but the clutch no matter where I am. Added bonus, I can charge my cellphone while at the park/lake/mountains via the cigarette lighter adaptor, or use any of thousands of cigarette lighter adaptor accessories that have been around for decades.
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Post by kernelsandirs on Nov 20, 2014 13:06:34 GMT -5
OK that is awesome, I gotta have it! :-)
So I got the scoot home via a friends truck, installed a new clutch and a higher quality belt and holy crap things are smooooth, pickup is way better, got another 5mph just from the lack of slipping from the clutch, the new belt is a properly made Gates belt not the no name belt that Best Buy scooters sold me for $25(like $15 more than that frayed out of the bag piece of crud would cost anywhere else)
I will never return to Best Buy scooters, Scrappy dawg is too far for me, but Pacific Wholesale Scooters are pretty dang good too, quite a bit more respectful bunch as well, and always have what I need at a decent price, although I think scrappy has better prices on everything. Gonna swing by Harbor Freight tonight to see if they have that kit, although I hate to take up what little storage space I have, gonna need a spare belt too but I think this one is proper and should last :-)
Thanks for tip :-)
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Post by geh3333 on Nov 20, 2014 17:00:50 GMT -5
Well I broke another belt today, the old one had only about 700 miles on it. strangely the issues I had with the rumble feeling and all had smoothed out after I broke in the old belt, however the old clutch I think was slipping quite a bit, and I think I may have had a very small warping on one of the clutch drive plates. Also turns out the mileage is in fact listed in miles so I am now at 5500 miles on that clutch, but I think I damaged it when trying to remove the variator the first time(wedging a hammer between the clutch plates and the starter gear to try and turn the nut) Sooo, haven't opened it but I am sure I am in for the same issue of broken belt, this time I am going to replace the clutch and belt, will check the variator plates for any rough spots etc, also my closest scooter parts place sells me overpriced no name parts so that was probably also a factor. Gonna try to get to a trusted shop today. How's your gear oil? Bad bearings in the gear box will also cause belts to break, however if you can pinpoint were the rumbling sound is coming from that will more then likely be the problem .
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Post by scooter on Nov 20, 2014 19:01:14 GMT -5
LOL, well back when I originally could not get the nut off I did end up getting an air compressor and wrench from Harbor Freight which worked great, but now I had my wife bring it to me filled with air(since I was stranded kinda) and it was not enough air to get it off :-( I am carrying one of these things: Needs no air or power. Works on variator and on clutch. The little tips can be unscrewed and replaced with various sized bolts. I did that on mine because my variators have different sized holes in them. I carry the original pins and three sizes of bolts. I recommend you test it out on your bike before you need it. You may need to first break your nuts free with an impact if they are super tight like mine were, otherwise you risk damaging the variator fins. (And I mean they were tight. I had to cut the nut off of the clutch after three impact drivers failed to loosen it. Now they come off just fine, even with this manual wrench.)
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Post by geh3333 on Nov 20, 2014 19:52:01 GMT -5
LOL, well back when I originally could not get the nut off I did end up getting an air compressor and wrench from Harbor Freight which worked great, but now I had my wife bring it to me filled with air(since I was stranded kinda) and it was not enough air to get it off :-( I am carrying one of these things: Needs no air or power. Works on variator and on clutch. The little tips can be unscrewed and replaced with various sized bolts. I did that on mine because my variators have different sized holes in them. I carry the original pins and three sizes of bolts. I recommend you test it out on your bike before you need it. You may need to first break your nuts free with an impact if they are super tight like mine were, otherwise you risk damaging the variator fins. (And I mean they were tight. I had to cut the nut off of the clutch after three impact drivers failed to loosen it. Now they come off just fine, even with this manual wrench.) Much better then carrying an impact , especially if its something you can fix on the side of the road.
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Post by JerryScript on Nov 21, 2014 2:57:19 GMT -5
The impact wrench has lots of other uses besides removing your variator and clutch, and it's a lot easier to plug it in and spin off the nuts than hooking one of those contraptions up. I can use it to remove the variator cover fast as well on the side of the road without carrying a cordless driver, and put the cover back on in a jiffy. I've used it on my truck, my bikes, power tools with stuck nuts/bolts, all sorts of things. I still say it's the best tool I've purchased for my scooter!
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Post by kernelsandirs on Nov 21, 2014 11:38:19 GMT -5
Looks like a nice tool, but my variator has no holes in it, so unless it can hold on to the little starter teeth I could only remove the clutch.
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 21, 2014 13:22:25 GMT -5
with an impact wrench you do not need anything to hold the variator. if you want something to hold it then get either one of these: Alleyoop
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Post by geh3333 on Nov 21, 2014 14:43:25 GMT -5
The impact wrench has lots of other uses besides removing your variator and clutch, and it's a lot easier to plug it in and spin off the nuts than hooking one of those contraptions up. I can use it to remove the variator cover fast as well on the side of the road without carrying a cordless driver, and put the cover back on in a jiffy. I've used it on my truck, my bikes, power tools with stuck nuts/bolts, all sorts of things. I still say it's the best tool I've purchased for my scooter! My craftsman 8 amp electric impact is def the best tool I've ever bought for my scoot also . I also bought a 19.2 volt 1/4 inch impact , but it doesn't have the power to take the variator or clutch but off " at least not after using the electric impact on them ". Unless u carry a 24volt 1/2 inch impact around with you the clutch tool is one of the best to have for working on the side of the rd without power .
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Post by alleyoop on Nov 21, 2014 14:57:28 GMT -5
Best tool to hold either the Variator outer pulley or clutch bell is the Chain Vise Grip, it also works on the 50s which have teeth on the outer pulley. Alleyoop
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