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Post by alleyoop on Aug 9, 2014 22:15:58 GMT -5
Good job banging it off, Now the clicking sound that is your solenoid, SO DO this JUMP the two terminals on the SOLENOID and see if it spins your starter IF it does your SOLENOID is bad. Alleyoop
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 9, 2014 22:33:03 GMT -5
alleyoop How exactly would i have to do that? you want me to turn the key then get a wire to the 2 terminals and try to start? it will spark if i do that. probably harm the wiring or burn something. please explain for me. and thanks.
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 9, 2014 22:54:12 GMT -5
NO, use a screwdriver and touch both terminals it will spark because the positive thick wire from the battery is connected to it, but it will only spark once when you first touch it. Here is how the solenoid works. When you turn the key on it sends voltage to the break switchs and everything else. NOW when you squeeze the breaks either one, it sends voltage to the solenoid, then when you push the start button it GROUNDS the solenoid and completes the circuit and activates the contact inside. The contact touchs both terminls but from the inside and passes the 12volts from the battery to the starter. So to verify that the SOLENOID is bad OR you have a bad Battery touch both terminls from the outside most use a screwdriver it is easier. Nothing will happen the juice is only flowing from the solenoid to the starter. IF it spins your starter the SOLENOID is bad. You do not have to have the key on or nothing you are bypassing all of that you are just testing the solenoid and battery and starter. Alleyoop
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 10, 2014 0:05:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the description but how long must i keep the screwdriver on the solenoid? Im thinking for about a few seconds right until or if the starter spins. How would it react if the battery was bad?
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 0:08:36 GMT -5
Yes just a few seconds, if the battery is good the starter will spin, now be careful make sure the scoot is on the center stand it may start up.
If the battery was dead it will just try to turn the starter really slow, just like when you try and start a car with a weak or dead battery. Alleyoop
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 10, 2014 0:20:58 GMT -5
I don't have a center stand but i have a jack. So if the battery is good the the starter will spin but the solenoid will be bad and if the starter spins a little than the battery is dead and the solenoid is too? What will happen if the starter doesn't spin when i jump it? And if the scooter is standing straight up then it way come on when i jump it?
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 0:44:03 GMT -5
Tell you what TIE the BRAKES ON BOTH OF THEM, lean the scoot on a wall or something and just jump the Solenoid it will be just 2 seconds that is it. Even if it start it is not going to take off with the breaks on.
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 10, 2014 1:04:45 GMT -5
Alright. And i have another question... My headlights wont turn on and i don't know what regulator it is. Sorry for all my questions i just really want to fix this. And how many drain tubes do you have on your scooter?
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 10, 2014 1:19:10 GMT -5
lets work on one thing at a time and get the scoot to start and run good first then we can start on whatever else is not working. Doesn't do you any good if you have headlights but can't use them cause the scoot is dead.
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 10, 2014 1:31:47 GMT -5
Yeah i just got a little bit excited. But I'm not getting my hopes up. I just want to get out there and work on it asap, but i cant (family is asleep) i will keep you posted.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 10, 2014 6:33:57 GMT -5
i got it off, with a hammer and chisel then i put everything back on. i installed a new drain bolt, put 15w 40 oil in it, and put on a new oil line. then i put the battery back in to start it and it didn't start. when i hit the start switch, all i heard was a tick sound (every time i hit the start button) coming from the ignition relay/Solenoid. i have no idea what it could be. alleyoop, scotttx, rockynv, pmatulew, JerryScript, oldchopperguy, sunsport If the starter relay is clicking then you need to check that the ground cable to the engine is connected and in good condition and if it starts after cleaning and verifying the ground cable to the engine then your all set. If it still does not start even though the start relay is clicking then you can bypass the starter relay going directly to the starter and if the starter does not spin up you need a new starter otherwise jump the start relay power in and out terminals and if the starter spins you need a new relay and if it does not then the cable between the relay and the starter has connections that need cleaning or is bad.
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Post by pmatulew on Aug 10, 2014 8:25:04 GMT -5
In an earlier post you stated that you replaced an oil line? What was it you replaced? Was it one of the clear drain lines?
Shorting the solenoid: It will spark when you do that. Don't freak out. Just be firm about it and press the screwdriver (or whatever suitable metal object) against the two big terminals on the solenoid for a few seconds. If the battery and the rest of the heavy wire connections between the starter and the motor are good, then it should crank while you are shorting the solenoid. The screwdriver takes the place of the solenoid and the starter button. It can't really start unless the ignition switch (key) is turned on. We don't care about that yet. Just trying to get it to crank first. One system at a time.
The kick start mechanism of a 150 is totally different than a 50. If you're just missing the the kickstart lever on the outside, then you may be able to borrow from your brother if it fits the shaft stub. Otherwise you'll need to come up with the right parts. Cranking with the battery and starter motor is way easier then kicking if we can get that working.
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Post by scotttx on Aug 10, 2014 9:38:33 GMT -5
or you can get a multimeter and test the solenoid also. apply 12 volts to the small wires while measuring the resistance across the 2 bolts, it should be close to 2 or 3 ohms. If that shows up ok you can pull your starter and check the brushes are good and armature contacts are clean.
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Post by ksaun123 on Aug 10, 2014 11:34:49 GMT -5
I jumped the solenoid and the starter turned. So i know that i need a new one.
Forget about that oil line, it turned out to be a vacuum hose.
When i jumped it it just tried and tried to crank but nothing happen. The spark plug is good, a bit of gas is getting into it, the ignition switch is on, on the kick stand,
The ground is the only thing that i need to check
My scooter already has a kick start shaft stub.
I adjusted the valve
I don't really know why it wont start.
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Post by pmatulew on Aug 10, 2014 17:37:24 GMT -5
Yup, so the power circuit is there to get it to crank. Just need a new solenoid to provide the switching function.
You said you did a valve clearance adjustment. (Valve-s plural.) How far off were they? What did you set them to? Did they have zero clearance when you started? (If they were tight for a long time they may be damaged and not seal good anymore.) Have you done a compression test?
Is the spark plug actually sparking when it's cranking? How do you know that it's getting gas? (Is it wet when you remove the plug?) Is the gas old or new? Have you checked the carburetor jets?
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