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Post by craisin on May 15, 2014 6:09:01 GMT -5
do my eyes deceive me or is that shock bent?
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 15, 2014 6:34:16 GMT -5
do my eyes deceive me or is that shock bent? Your eyes do deceive you. The photo does kind of look like that but the shocks are straight with no damage.
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Post by ng5y on May 15, 2014 7:20:02 GMT -5
I have a 2014 model TaoTao EVO ATM and I have not observed any issue with the rear and I am a big guy. I do notice that chug holes make the front headlight assembly rattle. Would a new set of shocks solve you issue? The shocks are adjustable, what about changing the setting?
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 15, 2014 8:20:35 GMT -5
I have a 2014 model TaoTao EVO ATM and I have not observed any issue with the rear and I am a big guy. I do notice that chug holes make the front headlight assembly rattle. Would a new set of shocks solve you issue? The shocks are adjustable, what about changing the setting? I've never felt any issues with this bike either and the rear suspension still seems to work fine. The rattle is slight and might not even be coming from the shocks. I don't think rider weight would be the issue here either. You can just barely bounce the back up and down and the top of the shock bumps that tab. I noticed this while looking around for the rattle. If you have a moment perhaps you can take a look at your upper shock mount. I'm wondering if they welded the tabs on the frame at the wrong angle on mine. It's the only thing that makes sense. Actually, I just thought of something. Could it maybe be the upper bushing on the shock? I suppose if the rubber was bad this could happen. I'll have to pull them off to take a look.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 15, 2014 19:23:20 GMT -5
Well, I took the shocks off hoping for worn out bushings. Nope, the bushings still look brand new.
The top of each shock has nice grooves worn into them from where they're hitting the mounts. Nice. What a piece of crap. Great design.
Well, enough of the ranting I guess. It's just very frustrating. My mistake for buying a cheap scooter. Live and learn.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 16, 2014 11:04:37 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out some way to fix this...
I know this is a long shot but does anyone make offset upper bushings for these shocks? I suppose it might be possible to make polyurethane bushings with an offset hole for the metal sleeve.
Is there any other adjustment that would pivot the shock away from that mount? Moving the entire motor/swingarm forward a little would probably do it too but I assume there's no adjustment for that.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 16, 2014 14:03:53 GMT -5
Ok, now I'm convinced I'm not the only one with this problem. I found a youtube video of someone assembling their evo and it looks like their upper mount is VERY close to the shock. I also found a post here from 2013 by scooterb that has pictures of his evo. Here is a picture where you can see his upper shock mount: www.myedocs.com/onlinefiles/Scooters/photos/pump.JPGSure looks to me like that one is hitting there for sure. I don't know, maybe it's not that big of a deal but it has to be stressing the shock and the mount on the frame since it can't pivot correctly when it hits there. I wonder if all the "hunter" style scooters have this going on or if it's just a TaoTao issue.
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Post by ng5y on May 17, 2014 3:40:57 GMT -5
My shocks on the rear have a chrome top and I see yours do not. Will have to wait for daylight and a chance to take a decent picture to share.
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Post by craisin on May 17, 2014 4:51:59 GMT -5
grinding clearance nicks in the lugs would seem to be the easiest fix. I weigh 130kgs i have broken the seat on my brand new T3 GY6 i got another seat and broke that too. Happens on speed bumps cause I dont slow down and my weight is a factor. The dealer said they warn people who intend to ride two up the seats are weak.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 17, 2014 6:24:12 GMT -5
My shocks on the rear have a chrome top and I see yours do not. Will have to wait for daylight and a chance to take a decent picture to share. Mine are chrome on the top too. That picture was taken when it was dark with a crappy cell phone so it's kind of hard to see. When the shocks are still on the bike you can't really see the grooves in the tops of them either but if you have very little clearance like my picture or the other one I posted: www.myedocs.com/onlinefiles/Scooters/photos/pump.JPG they might be doing it too. craisin: As for the seat breaking, that's not the problem. It's the top of the shock bumping the frame shock mounts. Weight doesn't seem to be the issue either. My wife only weights 125 lbs or so and it does it with just her sitting on the scooter. I also considered grinding the tab a bit and still might but I hate to alter the frame in any way. I would almost rather find some aftermarket shocks that have more clearance but I really don't feel like throwing more money at this thing right now.
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Post by ezgoin28 on May 17, 2014 7:24:26 GMT -5
here is a pic of some aftermarket shocks that I got off of ebay for 100 dollars . I have no clearance problems , i could also turn them around for more clearance. Your other option is just grind a notch out of your shock mount. I think if you dont want to modify or spend money on your scooter then just sell it. Go to yamaha and spend $3000 dollars on something with a warranty. Keep in mind these scooters are one third the price of "name brand" scooters.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 17, 2014 9:36:30 GMT -5
here is a pic of some aftermarket shocks that I got off of ebay for 100 dollars . I have no clearance problems , i could also turn them around for more clearance. Your other option is just grind a notch out of your shock mount. I think if you dont want to modify or spend money on your scooter then just sell it. Go to yamaha and spend $3000 dollars on something with a warranty. Keep in mind these scooters are one third the price of "name brand" scooters. Thanks for the info on the aftermarket shocks. That does help and I may go that route. Were they a direct bolt on? Actually, I just looked on ebay. They appear to be $89-$100 EACH. Ouch. Keep in mind that me posting this wasn't a shot at you personally just because you own a TaoTao Evo. I went into this whole Chinese scooter thing with my eyes wide open. I knew there would be a lot of stupid things to fix. But... I think having the shock mounts at the wrong angle, so much so that the stock shocks hit them is just plain crap quality. Obviously I have the option of getting rid of it and buying a more expensive scooter but that's not really the point. I've already spent a ton of money on the bike and spending money on it isn't the issue. I personally think I shouldn't have to modify a frame though. Again, thanks for the info on the shocks. It's good to know those have enough clearance since I'm pretty much guessing with the aftermarket ones without seeing someone that's already using them. I suppose the point of my posting this here is to see if there might be something else wrong with my scooter causing it. Maybe I'm the only one with the problem.
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Post by wilds on May 17, 2014 12:47:32 GMT -5
The upper part of the shock with the attachment is not moving up and down. The center pin in the shock goes down into the lower part of the shock when it's compressed. The only way the top part could be moving up and down is if the bolt is to small. By the photo it looks like your cap has come loose and that it's not fitted to the spring, but I'm not sure...
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Post by william42 on May 17, 2014 19:07:34 GMT -5
If the spring cap isn't welded to the rod end, and I would think it isn't, couldn't you take the shock apart and put a spacer of some sort between the cap and the rod end? That would lower the cap preventing it from hitting the shock mount.
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 17, 2014 23:31:40 GMT -5
The upper part of the shock with the attachment is not moving up and down. The center pin in the shock goes down into the lower part of the shock when it's compressed. The only way the top part could be moving up and down is if the bolt is to small. By the photo it looks like your cap has come loose and that it's not fitted to the spring, but I'm not sure... That's true, the upper cap on the shock doesn't move up and down but it does pivot when the suspension is loaded. When it pivots it hits the mounts on the frame. william42: Putting a spacer under the cap wouldn't help. The cap would still be bolted to the frame in the same location and would still pivot into the frame.
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