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Post by geh3333 on May 19, 2014 18:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by toddscoot71 on May 19, 2014 21:20:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the shocks on my TaoTao are 13.5" eye to eye. I have the same adjustments on them but it only changes the preload on the spring. And I was wrong. This issue has already bent the heck out of the shaft right about where it goes into the cap. Pretty scary actually, I imagine it would break after a while. So I'm stuck. I think longer shocks might help a little but probably not enough. If I could find a shock that had a longer section under the eye above the spring cap that would be great but I'm not finding anything. I hope everyone with an EVO checks out their shocks really well, it's kind of hard to notice or see the problem but judging by other pictures I doubt I'm the only one lucky enough to have it going on.
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Post by toddscoot71 on Jun 11, 2014 14:29:26 GMT -5
Has anyone else had a chance to take a look at the shock mounts on their EVO?
I looked at another one for sale here locally and it had the exact same problem as mine. The shock was pivoting up and banging on the shock mount. Tops of the shocks were bent worse than mine. Seems like a really bad (and dangerous) design to me.
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Post by toddscoot71 on Jun 16, 2014 17:47:14 GMT -5
Ok, I ran into another scooter rider today. He was riding a Hunter style 150cc scooter not sure of the brand but not a TaoTao EVO. We started talking about problems we've run into with our bikes and I mentioned the shock problem. We looked at his and it was exactly the same and the shocks were obviously bent.
I'm starting to think all the Hunter style 150s are like this. Did they design these like this on purpose? There's no way there's enough clearance for the shocks to pivot without hitting those mounts.
I'm just curious if I'm missing something. Surely they didn't intend for the tops of the shocks to hit and eventually bend. Did they? Seems like a huge problem waiting to happen. I'm really shocked (pardon the pun) there's not more people talking about it being an issue.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 19:02:48 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken my scoot is a hunter style scoot . My stock shocks where an inch longer then the shocks I have on now. My new shocks now that I look may be making contact with the frame but I'm not sure . Now the old stock shocks were def not making any contact not even any marks showing any contact . When I ordered the new shocks they said they were 13.8 eye to eye but they are only 12.8 . Still I don't see any problems with bending . I'm gonna check again just to be sure .
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 19:09:38 GMT -5
I just looked at my shocks and found that the right shock clears the bracket by about 1/4 inch and the left is about 1/16 away from the bracket . I also noticed that the I can see threads where the cap screws onto the shock about 1/4 inch or so on the right shock . And on the other side there are no threads showing meaning it is sitting lower due to the cap being screwed on further .
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Post by toddscoot71 on Jun 16, 2014 20:32:45 GMT -5
I just looked at my shocks and found that the right shock clears the bracket by about 1/4 inch and the left is about 1/16 away from the bracket . I also noticed that the I can see threads where the cap screws onto the shock about 1/4 inch or so on the right shock . And on the other side there are no threads showing meaning it is sitting lower due to the cap being screwed on further . That's interesting. Messing around with mine I noticed the two brackets are welded in slightly different places on the frame. Mine had about that much of a difference from one side to the other. I messed around with raising the cap on the shock with no luck. It makes a slight difference but if the shock uses it's full movement you need quite a bit more clearance on the bracket. I took the spring off of one of my damaged shocks so I could use it as a guide to see how much room was needed when they pivoted. I was surprised just how much they pivot from fully extended to hitting the bump stops. I really don't see how any of these are not hitting the shocks unless the rider is very light. If you have one that's only 1/16" away or even 1/4" away I would be very surprised if your shocks arn't hitting too. It's very hard to see with the shocks on. Mine were fouling the inside of the brackets and the top of the shock caps where it was a bit hidden. I'm guessing most people bend the shaft on the shock pretty quick after getting the scooter and apparently nothing more comes of it. My big fear was having a weld on the mount breaking.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 20:36:26 GMT -5
I took my left shock off and it had marks from where it was making contact with the bracket . I took the cap off and adjusted it out about 1/4 inch to match the right side . Problem solved . You do know that these shocks can be adjusted right ? I never actually took one apart . There was about 2 inches of threads which should be enough to adjust yours where it won't hit the bracket .
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 20:42:23 GMT -5
I took a dental mirror and looked at the right shock and there are no marks on the cap , the marks on the left side were not that bad but they were touching enough to make small indentions but not to bad
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 20:51:18 GMT -5
Here is the reason my old blue shocks were longer . " look at the bottom of the shock it's an inch longer" . I imagine I could make the old shocks at least 14.8 inches eye to eye if not even 15.5
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 21:07:28 GMT -5
Hey Todd what type shocks do u have ? Are they like the blue one or the black one ? If they are like the black ones that could be your problem . Because even though my black shocks measured 12.8 eye to eye all they had to do way move the cap out an inch to make it 13.8 . And I'm not so sure if many of the shocks out there are like the black ones or not but if so then the extra inch on the blue stock shocks could really help out . There is about an 1/8 inch of threads showing at the bottom of the cap and nut so it has plenty of room to be adjusted and it already measures 13.8 eye to eye .
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Post by toddscoot71 on Jun 16, 2014 22:50:15 GMT -5
Hey Todd what type shocks do u have ? Are they like the blue one or the black one ? If they are like the black ones that could be your problem . Because even though my black shocks measured 12.8 eye to eye all they had to do way move the cap out an inch to make it 13.8 . And I'm not so sure if many of the shocks out there are like the black ones or not but if so then the extra inch on the blue stock shocks could really help out . There is about an 1/8 inch of threads showing at the bottom of the cap and nut so it has plenty of room to be adjusted and it already measures 13.8 eye to eye . They look more like the black ones but they have preload adjusters on the bottom. They measure a little over 13.5 center to center. I'll take a picture of them tomorrow and upload it here. Longer ones would have been handy but I couldn't find anything. These would have worked great since the upper part of the shock is longer: scooterpartsplace.com/scooter-rear-shock-absorber.aspxBut... I've read terrible things about scooterpartsplace. I tried calling them to verify they had them in stock and none of their numbers work at this point and they don't respond to email. Kind of sketchy so I passed. Of course I couldn't find them anywhere else. Anyway, I went with new stock replacements and just slightly reshaped the bottom of the brackets. That ended up being the easiest route but a little bit of a pain since I removed the gas tank to make sure I didn't make sparks around gas fumes. I decided blowing myself up would be worse than having the shocks hitting. lol On the upside I found a loose wire that was causing my fuel gauge to not work.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 16, 2014 23:44:55 GMT -5
I bet the blue ones I have would work on yours . No need now but I was gonna send them to you to see if they would work for u. The xrta couple inches should have been just right . With both shocks screwed all the way in the blue ones measured an inch longer then the black ones which are prob same as yours. Then u had the xrta couple inches to play with by loosening the cap . I'm guessing the cap on yours were already turned out to get your shocks to measure the 13.8 and u didn't have much more threads left to work with .
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Post by toddscoot71 on Jun 17, 2014 0:14:02 GMT -5
I bet the blue ones I have would work on yours . No need now but I was gonna send them to you to see if they would work for u. The xrta couple inches should have been just right . With both shocks screwed all the way in the blue ones measured an inch longer then the black ones which are prob same as yours. Then u had the xrta couple inches to play with by loosening the cap . I'm guessing the cap on yours were already turned out to get your shocks to measure the 13.8 and u didn't have much more threads left to work with . That's really nice of you! Thanks, but what I ultimately decided was that even if I found an odd set of shocks that did work what would I do if I ever needed to replace them? You mentioned having a small indentations on your caps, that's exactly what mine had but if you think about what is going on that's putting quite a bit of stress on the shaft of the shock. Mine was bending right under the cap on the threads of the shaft. I'll get some pictures of it up soon.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jun 17, 2014 7:23:30 GMT -5
The mount tabs are big enough to be grinded down without effecting the integrity of the mount so the shock wont hit anymore,I am going to check mine now and see if they are hitting,,my shocks are black and look just like yours.I always thought the bottom mounts looked a little under engineered..but never really looked at the top
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