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Post by ice77 on Feb 17, 2014 22:22:56 GMT -5
OK, so i bought a the 100cc BBK from ebay, came with cylinder, air filter, CARB(kiehin copy), exaust, big valve head(pre-asymblebled), 3 JETs ( , , 100 plus the one in the carb), oil pump, a whole bunch of gaskets and performance variator. www.ebay.com/itm/100cc-Big-Bore-Performance-Power-Pack-Big-Valve-Performance-Head-Black-Exhaust-/151047655363?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&vxp=mtr&hash=item232b244fc3watched this guy install it and did the same. SO, now the head and valves are installed valve clearing was 1st: 0.010inch intake/0.009inch out. i took out whatever size of main-jet that was in the carb and replaced it with from the getgo installed carb and airfilter, replaced feulines with heavy duty 1/4 lines, replaced battery with brand new one, spark plug is 2 weeks old(took it from old engine) oil is 5w30 (cause of cold was snowing a week ago) new exaust. THE PROBLEM! is that it took me about an hour for me to get it started, with idle screw turned down all the way, i got it running about another hour later (to where i could drive around the block) by turning the air/fuel screw counterclockwise about 3 times (starting from all the way in, i counted) so it is running but i cannot get it to idle steady, it is sputtering (the carb is being shakin) by what i would call a misfire or back-pressure or something, but unevenly in no particular rhythm. and it is driving me nuts! plus every so often it will also cut out completely while in idle. the motor seems to be running fine when Im driving it, just idle and low speeds it seems to not run very well and i rely on this scooter for school and work on a daily basis. I have been reading alot about this the past 2 days i have been trying to figure this out, the a/f screw on the carb is basically falling out of the thing would this be considered running it rich or lean? What is the Difference between a big valve system and a regular valve system??(i put the rocker arms on that came with the KIT AND timing is correct! double checked) Are the gaps correct??? seems that everyone and thier mother have a diff opinion about what setting they should be set at 0.003/0.004 - 0.005/0.005 - 0.010/0.009 whatever IDK would be nice to have a solid number that i could set them at and sleep well at night with. I googled and youtubed everything plus talked with a few friends that only have basic car engine knowledge, i am good at tearing stuff down and putting stuff together, dont see why this is such a hassle. :/
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Post by chris5527 on Feb 17, 2014 22:36:00 GMT -5
Did you check for vacuum leaks? Trace all your lines and make sure there are no cracks and all the lines are secure and tight. Also have you tried adjusting the needle in diaphragm on the top of the carburetor? Might need a tweaking there also.
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 17, 2014 22:37:31 GMT -5
It is running lean on your low end, put in a bigger PILOT JET, the carb probably has a #30 or #32 Plot jet in there if so get at least a 35 you may need even a 38. So I would order both a #35 and #38. As for the MAIN JETS you should be fine with either the or . That is why your FUEL RATIO SCREW is almost falling out, you have it as rich as possible and still not enough fuel. Alleyoop
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Post by ice77 on Feb 18, 2014 10:53:09 GMT -5
i have a # main jet in there right now, is that ok? or do i need to put the jet in? how do i know if its good or not (because of the screw??) and where can i obtain a new pilot jet at a relativly good cost? mabey a multi pack or somthing? this bbk has turned into a expencive and time cosuming deal everytime i turn aroundim buying a new tool or part that sets me back another 20$ how bad is it if i ride around like this for a week or so? will my engine explode or something thanks chris5527 i set the clip on the neddel to the very bottom slot (is that good or bad didnt seem to do much)
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Post by chris5527 on Feb 18, 2014 13:27:39 GMT -5
i have a # main jet in there right now, is that ok? or do i need to put the jet in? how do i know if its good or not (because of the screw??) and where can i obtain a new pilot jet at a relativly good cost? mabey a multi pack or somthing? this bbk has turned into a expencive and time cosuming deal everytime i turn aroundim buying a new tool or part that sets me back another 20$ how bad is it if i ride around like this for a week or so? will my engine explode or something thanks chris5527 i set the clip on the neddel to the very bottom slot (is that good or bad didnt seem to do much) try raising the needle a notch or 2 and see what that does. Its possible its juat the opposite and your getting to much fuel. Do that and report back.
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 18, 2014 14:53:58 GMT -5
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Post by chris5527 on Feb 18, 2014 16:14:36 GMT -5
with the a/f screw three turns out is it not possible he's dumping way to much fuel in and drowning it?
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 18, 2014 17:22:14 GMT -5
NO, read what he is saying He has to turn out the Fuel Ratio screw out to where it is almost falling out IN ORDER FOR IT TO EVEN START AND IDLE and it is backfiring. Backfiring is a LEAN condition many think the opposite that it is a rich condition. Alleyoop
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Post by chris5527 on Feb 18, 2014 18:07:58 GMT -5
NO, read what he is saying He has to turn out the Fuel Ratio screw out to where it is almost falling out IN ORDER FOR IT TO EVEN START AND IDLE and it is backfiring. Backfiring is a LEAN condition many think the opposite that it is a rich condition. Alleyoop ok I see now thanks for clearing it up sir. Op you now know you need a bigger piloted jet.
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Post by wyopaniolo210 on Feb 18, 2014 21:51:44 GMT -5
I just bought and installed this same kit a month ago. Alley is exactly right about the pilot jet. The pilot jet on the carb in my kit isn't marked with the size, but I put in a 35 from an old carb and it helped (starts easy and everything). However, it'll still pop (not backfire) at random times when coming down from higher throttle ranges, so now I bought a 38 that I'm waiting to arrive. I currently have the fuel mixture screw at 2.5 turns out.
For the valves, I use 0.003" intake and 0.005" exhaust on this kit and it works fine for me.
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 19, 2014 2:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by ice77 on Feb 19, 2014 13:02:02 GMT -5
thank you i will look around and order a new pilot jet next round of questions concerning hookups...and hoses, the hose on the valve head was previously hooked up to the stock air filter, now it is hooked up to nothing... what is it for and why do i need it? i put the uni air filter that came with the kit on the carb and it has absolutly no hookups, can i take it off or plug it up? whats it even for? second, there was a metal bent pipe(hooked up with 2 bolts) coming out of my old valve case on the botton, exsaust side. the new valve case did not com with this hookup. what is it for? the metal pipe itself lead to what looked like a big petqock alos on there esaust side(across from the gasoline petquock!) looked like it just was hooked up to a rubber hose(3/4 inch diamiter) that lead to nowhere and a suction hose on the left of carb mainfold (which i just pluged with a screw) (the right side of the manifold is still hokked up to the gasolin petquock. petquock (not sure if spelled right) = thing that pumps gasolin to carb... this is the pic of what im trying to explain.... koffeeshop77.asuscomm.com/AICLOUD1035783026/20140219_114732(2).jpgThis link will be expire within 24 hours.
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 19, 2014 13:21:48 GMT -5
Here you go all about the emissions that a scoot may have. BUT the hose coming off NEAR the top of the Valve cover do NOT block the hose off put a Fuel Filter on the end of it and zip tie it higher than the valve cover NO KINKS on the hose IT HAS TO BREATH. Alleyoop itistheride.boards.net/thread/4902/emissions-scoot
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Post by ice77 on Feb 19, 2014 13:41:39 GMT -5
could oil be leaking out of it?
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 19, 2014 14:16:42 GMT -5
Yes oil can squirt out of that hose, that is the breather hose for the crankcase, so if you accidently overfill it withe crankcase with oil it will squirt some oil out of that hose. That is why I recommend to put a fuel filter on the end of that hose and zip tie it higher than the valve cover so it breaths but oil will drain back down and not squirt all over your motor. Alleyoop
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