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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 12, 2013 2:16:35 GMT -5
On this Facebook page (I actually would like to use them in an effort to push protective gear): www.facebook.com/goscoot
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Post by one1 on Mar 12, 2013 3:48:20 GMT -5
I'd only promote my damage to my hands, as I did intend to wear gloves that day and I think it's very helpful to have them. Otherwise as stated above in the thread I think it's useless to buy something that is intended to give you freedom and wrap yourself up in a cocoon so I do not support the idea of jackets, pads, and whatever else and wouldn't be associated with the idea of scare tactics to lose that freedom. I think gloves are a great idea because the reason my arms got chewed is because I could feel my hands being peeled off and I made the decision to start rolling to get off my hands after about 25 feet of sliding on them.
Everyone should own a pair of gloves, but I am just as against the idea of wrapping up in pads, jackets, and even full face helmets as I am FOR the idea of gloves. These are freedom machines and living in fear is not freedom. There is nothing like wind whipping your t-shirt around and screaming past your ears and up your shorts as you enjoy the sunshine.
I'll tell you about danger..... my buddy had a heat stroke riding in his leathers in June last summer. He fell off his bike at 30 mph. He got too dizzy too fast to slow down any more than that.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 12, 2013 4:36:16 GMT -5
I'd only promote my damage to my hands, as I did intend to wear gloves that day and I think it's very helpful to have them. Otherwise as stated above in the thread I think it's useless to buy something that is intended to give you freedom and wrap yourself up in a cocoon so I do not support the idea of jackets, pads, and whatever else and wouldn't be associated with the idea of scare tactics to lose that freedom. I think gloves are a great idea because the reason my arms got chewed is because I could feel my hands being peeled off and I made the decision to start rolling to get off my hands after about 25 feet of sliding on them. Everyone should own a pair of gloves, but I am just as against the idea of wrapping up in pads, jackets, and even full face helmets as I am FOR the idea of gloves. These are freedom machines and living in fear is not freedom. There is nothing like wind whipping your t-shirt around and screaming past your ears and up your shorts as you enjoy the sunshine. I'll tell you about danger..... my buddy had a heat stroke riding in his leathers in June last summer. He fell off his bike at 30 mph. He got too dizzy too fast to slow down any more than that. Just because a rider had an issue from wearing the wrong gear it does not make riding gear dangerous. Here in South Florida the right gear keeps you cooler in the summer than t-shirt and shorts while giving you the freedom to make it home safely more often. I was fealing really bad for a "Free Rider" stopped at a traffic light the other day literally dripping sweat in his freedom suite (t-shirt and shorts) while I was there in my mesh summer gear covered from head to toe protected from the direct rays of the brutal sun. There I was realatively cool and dry while he was sweating bullets and telling me it was too hot to be wearing my riding gear which was keeping me cool and dry. In the event of a fall I will also be free of the additional injuries and recovery from sever road rash in addition to having freedom from denial of coverage by my insurance company for failure to have the minimum required riding gear on. You are more free with the proper gear than you are without it. Scare tactics? Well go ride with the paramedic crews that scrape up whats left behind by unprotected riders here in the Tampa Bay area. We are talking about a Tuckerware Bin and a Coal Shovel. When the roadway is well over 100 degrees unprotected flesh fuses to it and gets left behind taking a good chunk of whats underneath with it. What most tell you about the benefits of protective gear comes no where close to telling how bad it truely is so much of the time when an unprotected rider goes down. You got off lucky and may not get off so lightly next time. Six months in the hospital and the next year or so in rehab to get to a 50% or 60% recovery is not that unusual for an unprotected rider in even a sub 25 mph fall off a motor bike. There are already too may "Free Riders" serving life in para/quadrapalegic wheelchairs as the price of their freedom.
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Post by one1 on Mar 12, 2013 4:43:05 GMT -5
YAWN.........
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Post by payneib on Mar 12, 2013 5:52:47 GMT -5
Good luck with that. If half the skin missing on your hands and arms won't teach you anything, no well meaning, factually correct rhetoric ever will. Ian
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 12, 2013 22:14:08 GMT -5
Yeah good point. I can find plenty of pics elsewhere. I definitely don't want to have pics on the page connected to a mentality if insanity. They don't come braver than me, but not wearing gear is just meaningless suicidal thinking. No freedom is lost with the right gear.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 13, 2013 3:36:38 GMT -5
True that some will never learn until they are dead but there are the followers that like lemmings will get in harms way with the Freedom thinkers if those with a bit more working gray matter and maturity don't step in and state the obvious. Guess what the human body is more fragile then most of us would like to think.
At my age I have been to the funerals of too many free thinkers and visited too many in hospice and total care facilities that were unfortunate enough to have lived through their last flight of freedom.
What is great is when you see some one who was on the fence but took your advice to heart about getting geared up walk away basically unharmed from getting bumped off their bike at 70/75 mph due to the gear that they were wearing.
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Post by prodigit on Mar 13, 2013 10:40:01 GMT -5
I also on my 50cc scoot, won't wear anything else but gloves and the mandatory goggles. I tried riding without goggles, but once I hit 20+ MPH, I just start tearing like a baby, so no use to ride without goggles (not to mention, many times I got saved by the goggles because a bug, or leaf hit where my eye would be).
As far as protective gear, In FL it is indeed hot. If it where cold, like it has been in the past 2 months, I wear a leather jacket and jeans pants. It offers protection, as well as offers much desired heat; so if it's cold weather, instead of wearing a sweater, might as well wear a padded jacket! You won't really notice much difference between the two, except the padded jacket is warmer.
In hot weather I don't wear a jacket, and have to find another solution.
In the summer heat, I prefer the mesh armor vests. They basically replace a t-shirt, have wind flowing just like on a T-shirt, the only warm parts is the back and chest protection, but there are alternatives out there, without back protection.
There are also armor sleeves, sleeves that you put on with protection on the elbows and shoulders, often wore in cross/dirt bike racing. They don't really limit the feeling of freedom like an armor vest.
I also wear motorcycle boots, eventhough I don't need them on a scooter. More do it for the looks than for the practicality of it all. They're comfy too! Though I ride my 50cc with sneakers a lot too!
My estimation: 80% of the falls you'll be able to land/slide/roll on the arms. In 20% you'd be sliding on your back, and have no control over the position. In such cases a back protection would be prudent to have, but there's not much better out there, than an armored vest.
There's nothing really for the buttocks. A lot of people slide on their bee-hinds over the asphalt when having an accident. It's ok if the pants are strong, and the speed is low. Sucks if the road is wet (looks like you pooped or peed your pants). But you surely don't want to slide half bare butted over the asphalt, because you won't be able to sleep, sit, or as much as taking a dump without serious pain!
As far as a helmet goes, on a motorcycle I always wear it. On my 150cc I don't quite feel safe without it, but I've done a few trips without it. On my 50cc I never wear it. Same goes with a bicycle, there are states where wearing a bicycle helmet is law; but in all 20 years I've ridden a bicycle, I've never had a head injury. Mostly feet, legs, arms hands (from the pedals or smacking on the ground with bare hands).
I believe in gloves and goggles! All else is extra, and generally I only start wearing it when I'm going faster than 35-40MPH.
I know wearing protective gear - talk is boring as crap, but it is important, and more than anything true advice! Like 'quit smoking' advise; it's upto the individual to choose.
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Post by one1 on Mar 13, 2013 12:57:19 GMT -5
Thank god I have lived a better life than those who live in fear. When you don't follow the same little maze everyone else does through their life you'll learn what freedom really is and quit being scared of breaking the little fence you're following through the hamster maze. The same people who will never take a chance in their life. It's depressing..... well for some, not me. I've lived 3 lives and have 3 more to go. If I get skinned along the way it's just another story I have to tell. The people who did nothing will have to sit in the corner of the nursing home and play bingo while I whip out the pictures of this awesome summer I had. I can't imagine certain ones of you have ever had a day of fun in your whole life. Well, what you think is fun. "they let me out of my cell to go play in the fenced yard, it's sort of like freedom". Enjoy that cage.......... I'm not the one being counter productive and riding something for freedom then doing everything in my power not to enjoy it properly because I'm afraid I might fall off. LOL
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Post by payneib on Mar 13, 2013 14:09:32 GMT -5
Thank god I have lived a better life than those who live in fear. Have you really? Cause I've been free enough to come off a couple of times, but never had to spend time recovering from the most avoidable road rash. Unless of course pain is freedom, I'm sure you enjoy the freedom of slamming your pecker in a door. After eight years in the forces, I've had plenty of fun, and lived without fear in some fairly fearful situations. So much so, that I don't see the point of needlessly risking my life for no reason other than proving how big my ego is. Have fun being jet washed off the road. Ian
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Post by prodigit on Mar 13, 2013 17:58:12 GMT -5
Thank god I have lived a better life than those who live in fear. When you don't follow the same little maze everyone else does through their life you'll learn what freedom really is and quit being scared of breaking the little fence you're following through the hamster maze. The same people who will never take a chance in their life. It's depressing..... well for some, not me. I've lived 3 lives and have 3 more to go. If I get skinned along the way it's just another story I have to tell. The people who did nothing will have to sit in the corner of the nursing home and play bingo while I whip out the pictures of this awesome summer I had. I can't imagine certain ones of you have ever had a day of fun in your whole life. Well, what you think is fun. "they let me out of my cell to go play in the fenced yard, it's sort of like freedom". Enjoy that cage.......... I'm not the one being counter productive and riding something for freedom then doing everything in my power not to enjoy it properly because I'm afraid I might fall off. LOL The story could end really different! Perhaps those at the nursing home playing bingo, play bingo, because they remember this one guy one1, who one day rode alongside them, on a scoot. And when they all had an accident, the surviving bingoers wearing safety gear, had a few broken bones. However their friend one1, ended up with severe bleeding and head trauma, and is no longer with them! I've had a friend just like you. His name was Tom. I remember him fondly! He was drunk, hit a pole (road block like on the pic below) riding 90kmh (55mph), flew over it, and smacked his head against a tree on the side of the road. Vomiting on the spot as it happened! Internal bleeding, head trauma. As they took him to the hospital, he was in coma for 2 weeks, and should have recovered, but a blood clot went to his brain, and he died. He was a good guy though! No guarantee that with a helmet he would have survived the blood clot, but his chances would have been a lot higher! I don't care to be 'free', if I'm dead 5 minutes later! I care too much about my life, taking everything slowly, and enjoying, to be dead soon.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 14, 2013 12:22:13 GMT -5
My safety gear does not prevent me from riding across the state for empanadas for lunch, snorkleing to watch the sharks basking, taking a canoe out down a moving river, sailing, flying, fishing, hunting or getting involved in other fun activities. It does increase my chances of having the ability to continue enjoying my life in reasonably good physical condition for longer though.
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Post by triker on Mar 14, 2013 12:55:16 GMT -5
On this Facebook page (I actually would like to use them in an effort to push protective gear): www.facebook.com/goscootThe world is full of nanny's trying to make other people safe. Why don't people just worry about their safety and let the rest of the people worry about theirs? Roy
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Post by prodigit on Mar 14, 2013 13:03:11 GMT -5
On this Facebook page (I actually would like to use them in an effort to push protective gear): www.facebook.com/goscootThe world is full of nanny's trying to make other people safe. Why don't people just worry about their safety and let the rest of the people worry about theirs? Roy As long as it does not mean other people suffer, I think no one has a problem. I rather see someone riding defensively, without gear, than someone strapped with protection and armor riding like a nut...
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Post by payneib on Mar 14, 2013 14:22:00 GMT -5
As long as it does not mean other people suffer, I think no one has a problem. . Oh no, of course, as long as no one else is affected. As long as the emergency room staff and paramedics aren't affected by trying to figure out which lump of burger meat is which limb, as long as no one is affected by road closures for scene of crime investigations, as long as no ones health insurance premiums (in the US) go up, or public money (in the UK) is spent to cover your injuries, as long as no ones motorcycle insurance premiums go up, as long as your family isn't affected by either looking after your crippled , or burying you in the ground, as long as the rest of us who do kit up, don't have to watch appeals by grieving families of some one who's smeared themselves across a road, and as long as those of us who do kit up aren't tarred with the same "only reckless idiots ride engines with two wheels" brush........then yeah, do you whatever you want. It seems people these days (especially in America, but it's by no means isolated to there) spend a lot of time talking about and defending their "freedoms" but spend very little time, if any, acting on their "responsibilities". Ian
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