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Post by gsragtop on Sept 21, 2013 19:33:16 GMT -5
Hello gents, new member to the forum and new scooter owner.. I just got a 2011 Meiduo md50 today off Craigslist.. I knew it was a project, and I only paid $200 for it. It runs great, starts right up idles and revs well.. I was told the guy was riding it home stopped a traffic light and it would not move. First thing I checked was the cvt case and it was missing bolts so I know someone was in there despite the guy swaring he was not in there. Fine, I buy it anyway and get it home. Pull the cover and the clutch bolt is gone, not there clutch just sitting on the shaft. I'm thinking easy fix.. Pull the clutch and notice the final drive shaft (is this the correct term ??) is very loose.. So loose its not attached to anything, I just pulled it right out. Look in the hole, and I see one roller ball in the back of the case so I assume I should have a bearing in there.. Is that what holds the shaft in?? Should the case have lube in there?? It was dry when I opened it. I can't seem to find any info on how the drive shaft should attach..
Thank you in advance guys !!!
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Post by sailracer on Sept 21, 2013 20:08:23 GMT -5
go get your money back.If it was dry, and bearings failed, chances are the gearbox casting is damaged too. When you saw the cvt cover loose,and he denied opening it you should have walked away
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Post by alleyoop on Sept 21, 2013 20:17:00 GMT -5
Yep, the Shaft is pressed onto the bearing. He sold you a bill of goods. But if everything else is fine you can get a new shaft, gears and or bearings. I would just replace all the bearings in there since he ran it dry. Alleyoop
Here is a Video to help:
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Post by gsragtop on Sept 21, 2013 20:29:09 GMT -5
No I don't think it was run dry, I think the DSPO (dip s h * t previous owner) opened it and had no idea what to do.. That's why the clutch bolt was missing, otherwise it should have been in the case.. The ring gear for the back wheel is fine, all teeth there etc..
So what holds the shaft into the case?? When you tighten the clutch on what keeps it from just popping out?? Where can I get the herring and what lube do I use in the case?? Thanks
Ps the scooter only has 750 miles on it..
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Post by alleyoop on Sept 21, 2013 21:33:19 GMT -5
The bearing holds it in: Watch the VIDEOS I PUY UP: 7 & 8 Videos alleyoop
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Post by gsragtop on Sept 21, 2013 22:02:20 GMT -5
Ok so do I have to remove more of the case to reinstall the driveshaft?? Where can I find the correct procedure ??
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Post by alleyoop on Sept 21, 2013 22:22:30 GMT -5
You either pound it out yourself or take it to a garage to have them press it out and or press it in. If you have a press then you can use that. Take the whole clutch assembley out and you will then see about 5-6 bolts holding the plate that the shaft goes into take the bolts out and the plate comes off and you will see all your tranny gears behind it. The following Videos show taking the clutch off and then the back plate off. Alleyoop
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Post by gsragtop on Sept 21, 2013 23:09:56 GMT -5
Just took another look at mine, and I don't think the case will split like that.. I think on mine the rear wheel will have to come off then maybe the case splits from that side.. Does this make sence??
Also found the clutch bolt in the front compartment so the DSPO was absolutely in hear messing around..
BTW thank you so much for your help !!
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Post by alleyoop on Sept 21, 2013 23:46:55 GMT -5
Take picture of it with the Clutch Assembly off. Alleyoop
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Post by pmatulew on Sept 22, 2013 6:55:46 GMT -5
Mmmmmm....the cheap fix and the DPSO. p)
BTDT D8
Even so, is you're willing and able to put a "little" time and money in to it...
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Post by pmatulew on Sept 22, 2013 7:02:39 GMT -5
If you were able to pull the clutch shaft right out without further disassembly, is it possible that the bearing in video 8 completely failed allowing the shaft to come out center race and all? Or do you think "someone" was already in there and the bearing is missing?
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Post by phssthpok on Sept 22, 2013 11:33:37 GMT -5
With regard to needing to press (or pound) the gear onto the shaft: I see many admonitions not to try and heat the gear with a torch, but I haven't seen anyone try the old 'oven and freezer' method. Many moons ago I had a power steering pump go out on my RoadRunner. I bought a new one, but being the inexperienced lad that I was, I did not know they did not come with the pulley attached. The pulley is a 'press-fit'. Cost me $20 to have a shop press the old pulley off just to turn in the core (the new pump was just a shade over $30 so that charge seemed rapacious). To reinstall the pulley on the new pump, I simply put the pulley in the oven at about 250 degrees, and put the pump in the freezer. After about an hour (to make sure they had both achieved limits of their respective temperatures) I took the pump out of the freezer and (using a welding gauntlet) pulled the pulley out of the oven and just slipped it right on. In fact.. it slipped on so easily I initially thought I had the wrong pump! It seemed like the shaft was too small diameter, but after a few minutes in close proximity to each other, the shaft warmed, and the pulley cooled, and when it was all said and done the pulley was bound up TIGHT on the shaft. It seems as though one could do the same here: Place the gear in the oven, and the shaft in the freezer. I can't imagine that a mere 250 degrees (typically the lowest setting for a residential oven) would affect any tempering/hardening of the gear teeth (generally the reason given for NOT using a torch).
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Post by gsragtop on Sept 22, 2013 14:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by sailracer on Sept 22, 2013 14:29:19 GMT -5
Ok, doesn't look like it's too bad. I can see the outer race still in there (6201) common bearing. I can see the inner race still on the shaft too. You will have to remove the wheel just so you can handle it easier. Remove the three bolts around the hole, and also the bolts on the outside of the cvt cover. There may or may not be a bolt behind the wheel. I would replace all the bearings while you are in there.The two on the shaft will need to be pressed in. If you Don't have an arbor press, best take it to someone who does.
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Post by sailracer on Sept 22, 2013 16:43:32 GMT -5
Both bearings are gone there.You should get a new seal too.
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