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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 1:19:33 GMT -5
If these are the only parts on a motor that is supposed to have metal to metal contact what difference does it make how they wear in? The whole break in procedure is confusing especially when some contradict each other. I read somewhere that running it hard at first pushes out the rings further than riding gently. How? The rings better be making contact with the cylinder walls regardless of how fast the rpms are.
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Post by skuttadawg on Sept 7, 2013 1:43:53 GMT -5
When new the rings and piston are in they tight just like new shoes are compared to old sneakers already broken in . Avoid long idles or running at the same RPM ( go by your ear if no tach ) and being easy going downhill . To break it in right ride at the middle of it top speed while going up and down with the throttle in order to grind the rings smooth ( break in ) . The very first oil change at 200 or so miles and the next durations should have some ring dust in the oil . After it is broken in the piston moves up and down easier since it has less friction than when brand new and will run faster .
I am not a fan of a hard break in on a 4T from the start since I do midrange break in at first then push it harder later . I did do a hard break in on my 2T after riding it around midrange at first . You can always get on it hard later and if you push it too hard at first and scar the cylinder or damage the valves it will not run as good and may burn oil .
Use any automotive 10w40 dino oil for the first 3 oil changes and afterwards you may opt for a full synthetic oil or use Castrol Synblend like I do . Synthetic oil is too slick and may prevent the rings from grinding smooth compared to dino ( regular oil made from dinosaurs etc ) .
My Echarm has almost 18k of miles , does not burn or leak oil at all . I can eat off of the engine . Now sometimes if I redline it a sip of oil can blow out the PVC tube that most do not come with .
Take your time breaking it in and dog it later once broken in around 1,000 miles or so .
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Post by tomcat on Sept 7, 2013 3:23:22 GMT -5
I was confused too with the differing break-in opinions. Decided to go with this: www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htmRan it hard from the get-go & changed the oil at 50 miles (lotsa little shavings were on the filter screen). Changing the oil again this weekend at 150 miles. So far, so good. No oil loss, compression test shows 180, & it runs extremely strong. The first 50 miles were before any mods were done (see sig), if that matters. In my case anyway, it seems that the hard break-in works.
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Post by sailracer on Sept 7, 2013 6:23:22 GMT -5
me too 1000 miles is excessive. In the airsal kit I put in the instructions state that after 35 minutes, it's all set to go WOT. I did,and It runs perfect with around 300 miles since breakin now.you want to break it in the way you run it.I would say 1/2-3/4 throttle for maybe 100 miles,go to top-end for a few, change oil, Ride it normally changing the oil a couple of times within 300 miles or so, and it will be fine.
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Post by millsc on Sept 7, 2013 7:34:44 GMT -5
I ride mine like i would normally ride it, the 50's if stock i'd assume you'd have to ride wot stock or you'd get ran over. I ride my 150 around 1/4 to 1/2 throttle since i ride in zones 40 and under not rode it wot much or i'd get a ticket.
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Post by shalomrider on Sept 7, 2013 23:51:02 GMT -5
howdy, just opinion here. when breaking in , it is my understanding that the internal pressure caused by ignition pushes the rings out agains the cylinder wall which helps shape that area of the cylinder(wears from metal contact). so what the engine needs is very brief full throttle to perforn that which also produces heat. then short period off throttle to cool and lubricate. no long periods of steady speed. i use that method without any deleterious effects. as stated change the oil within a few hundred miles.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by rockynv on Sept 9, 2013 4:32:10 GMT -5
The compression rings are beveled on the inner lip so that compression to a degree and then combustion force them out tighter against the cylinder wall.
On a tight new engine you can overheat the rings or the cylinder by running at wide open throttle potentially scoring the cylinder, deforming the ring grooves in the piston or deforming/cracking the piston rings.
This is one reason some have oil consumption and blow by issues on relatively new engines having to install auxiliary catch cans and such to compensate afterwards.
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Post by shalomrider on Sept 9, 2013 10:57:15 GMT -5
howdy rockynv
again, my understanding is that without the brief high throttle eppisodes, there won't be enough ring to cylinder contact to avoid glazing the cylinder wall in that area and might cause there to never be good contact between the wall and the rings. that would result in never seating in and would also cause oil consumption and in extremes would allow blow by which increases the internal oil gallerie pressures resulting in excessive oil out the vent.
so again i would still reccomend high throttle briefly, then reduced throttle to allow cooling and lubrication. none of your statements were wrong, it is simply a matter of how much throttle and at what rpm. i reccomend these full throttle BRIEF eppisodes are carried out in different rpm ranges because there are slight changes in how the piston sets in the cylinder as the rpm changes.
lotsa miles and smiles to y'all ken
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Post by rockynv on Sept 9, 2013 12:01:58 GMT -5
There is quite a difference between brief high throttle and WOT that many are inclined to. 1/2 to 2/3 can also be considered high throttle
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Post by shalomrider on Sept 9, 2013 13:20:58 GMT -5
DX howdy, i hope we all see this as a discussion and not like"if ya don't see it my way, i gotta cut off your head"
i i actually think only extremes of full throttle all the time or babying it for a thousand miles , may cause harm. the engines are designed to be somewhat forgiving.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by urbanmadness on Sept 9, 2013 18:18:42 GMT -5
thottle? I thought it was a on off switch.... LOL My 150 runs WOT alot, and I mean alot. So far 6000 miles on her and she hasn't missed a beat... If I blow it up, I'll rebuild it.
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Post by millsc on Sept 9, 2013 18:47:39 GMT -5
thottle? I thought it was a on off switch.... LOL My 150 runs WOT alot, and I mean alot. So far 6000 miles on her and she hasn't missed a beat... If I blow it up, I'll rebuild it. same here if it blows I'll put something bigger and better in it
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Post by rockynv on Sept 9, 2013 21:12:22 GMT -5
I can't afford the downtime of blowing up my bike and going back to paying $70 a week for my commute to work driving my van while waiting for parts to arrive nor the expense of replacing hard parts like pistons, cranks, connecting rods, etc. The rebuilding/replacing of even small things every thousand miles on my Lance was breaking the budget as was the lost time from missing work to arrange a lift home to get the van and flatbed trailer to retrieve the bike. Having to go through a total engine rebuild or replacement any time before 50,000 miles would be too much. I am almost half way there with my next oil change scheduled at 25,000 miles and it seems like I just bought the bike yeasterday.
I guess some of you guys are a bit more wealthy than you sometimes let on. Bike out of commision for three weeks is a unplanned $210 expense just for the gasoline to drive my van besides the cost of the parts to repair the bike along with the lost time/income from work. Its just not something that I can afford.
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