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Post by scootermass on Apr 18, 2013 8:43:42 GMT -5
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Post by millsc on Apr 18, 2013 8:46:04 GMT -5
I'm gonna buy the lithium when i have the money, its either that or a high torque starter, i need more cranking power, already broke the cvt case on my t3 kicking it because the battery wouldn't crank it fast enough, better to have more power than you need than not enough
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Post by rtsecino on Apr 18, 2013 8:58:35 GMT -5
thanks scootermass for the links....I think I will check those out. I don't see any dimensions listed. Maybe I will call them. I am in northcentral Mass. Weather is starting to get good for scootin'. Will be bringing my scoot up to my Maine summer house in mid May. Thanks again......
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Post by carasdad on Apr 18, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -5
Carasdad: I'm not saying that lithium batteries are not great, they are. Just that they are expensive! rtsecino can score a sealed AGM Scorpion battery (YT4L-BS) for $35.00 with free shipping (if he lives in the lower 48 states) here: www.batterystuff.com/powersports-batteries/sYT4L-BS.htmlExcellent battery & if he keeps it on a float charge it should last him @ least 4+ years, if not more. Just saying that all decent scooters come with an AGM battery (Kymco, SYM, Genuine etc.) & they have become standard now. I'm not sure...but what would a lithium battery cost? $150.00? Rtsecino: You can score a 4Ah here for $39.00: www.batterystuff.com/powersports-batteries/sytz5s.htmlGood Luck! Wow..now THAT is a deal for an AGM battery. For stock or moderate performance parts on your scoot..they will work great..and no 'wet cell' lead/acid corrosion which is my biggest contempt for 'wet cell' batteries. Sometimes even at a low charge rate they bubble over...corrode the terminals and have to be cleaned often. For those..like our family fleet of scoots...the CDI is right next to the battery and it corrodes as well.  With the AGM most customers have an old antique charger Grandpa gave to them..or a "Smart Charger" and once the voltage falls below 10.8 the chargers assume it has a dead or shorted cell and won't charge it. So they bring it back to me claiming it's junk. I have shown them how those type of chargers WILL charge the AGM. That being put a known good battery on the charger...use 2 jumpers with Alligator clips)I even make them a set for free) Use the jumpers and connect the AGM parallel to the good battery and it will charge. But for most it is confusing..or just too much work 'read..Lazy) Lithium batteries have come down in price just in this past month. Still more than a 'wet cell' or AGM..but would save them the confusion of AGM and corrosion of 'wet cell' The EVO2 lithium are a kewl idea 7amps in a tiny package...BUT the 4amp and 7amp most scoots use...the EVO2 will fit the box...except that they are a few inches taller...so you can't get your battery cover on....and for some reason they are low on CCA. As said before..another reason I like the new Litium size for size match of a 4amp or 7amp battery..is because most of my customers are younger folks...and they want the ULTIMATE performance build on their scoot. Which means advancing hi po CDI and 50-52mm BBK's . This puts compression way up there and with the advanced timing..a standard 'wet cell' or AGM does not have the power to crank them well...resulting in a quickly drained battery due to the high current draw from the struggling starter motor. AND you know young folks...they do not understand the 5 second burst concept when starting a scoot. They will hold the start button until the battery is depleted.....hold the button 1,2 or 3 minutes even..but in that case the battery depletes...however nearly everytime they fry the starter in doing so.  So to take away one part of the ignorance equation...I put in a Lithium with its higher cranking amperage. Ya see...it is easier to fix a battery problem....than it is is to fix youthful ignorance... ;D |
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Post by scootermass on Apr 18, 2013 9:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by scootermass on Apr 18, 2013 9:59:04 GMT -5
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Post by carasdad on Apr 18, 2013 10:02:12 GMT -5
Here is an even better deal.. www.ebay.com/sch/6000/i.html?_nkw=YTX7A-BS-7A-BS+Lithium&_dmpt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&_vxp=mtr&_rdc=1As for the Ballistic Batteries...as I mentioned above...same CCA as a 'wet cell' or AGM. Bad part about the Ballistic Batteries from the many I have seen...is the size...and shape. They are NOT like the above link..which are same size as your 4 amp or 7 amp scoot batteries. Remember the old..well they do still make them... but the big tall 6 volt batteries with springs on top...that are used in flashlights? That is the size and shape of the Ballistic battery..only a few inches wide and deep... but stick up out of your battery box by about 3 inches...so you will never get the battery cover one! Also same CCA as 'wet cell' and AGM batteries. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 18, 2013 10:03:21 GMT -5
Carasdad: Maybe you're on to something here.....I just checked Amazon & found this here: www.amazon.com/YTX4L-BS-4L-BS-Lithium-Sealed-Battery/dp/B00BM7QEIC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_6It's $69.00 but I'm sure you'll have to pay for shipping. I'm not sure about the brand or warranty. If he can score it for like sub-$80.00 maybe it's worth it. Also AGM are great if like you say...use a float charger...but most folks don't want to mess with a float charger. As my customers say.."Dude I gotta keep taking the battery lid off to hook up the float charger..it gets annoying" You can score this for sub $80.00...$74.00 shipped in fact... www.ebay.com/sch/6000/i.html?_nkw=YTX7A-BS-7A-BS+Lithium&_dmpt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&_vxp=mtr&_rdc=1Lastly..Scorpion batteries are Lithium...size for the same as your stock battery..but for some reason they have lower CCA than the Lithium one on Ebay in the link above. I avoid Amazon...if I want a $6.  or $7. part...go read to the top right...they want $11. -$14. for shipping!..  umm..no thanks.. |
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Post by scootermass on Apr 18, 2013 13:37:05 GMT -5
Carasdad: You rock brother! Ok...I'll let my current AGM live it's life & I'll be looking for an lithium down the road. I purchased my GTI300 last August & I plan on keeping her for a long time! There is no need to go beyond a 300cc scooter @ 29HP for my type of cruising. I'm a serious ocean boater 1st in the summer, then scoots has my attention (We live in New England with a short summer)
You're are correct! Lithium batteries have come down in price bigtime!
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Post by carasdad on Apr 18, 2013 13:51:42 GMT -5
Carasdad: You rock brother! Ok...I'll let my current AGM live it's life & I'll be looking for an lithium down the road. I purchased my GTI300 last August & I plan on keeping her for a long time! There is no need to go beyond a 300cc scooter @ 29HP for my type of cruising. I'm a serious ocean boater 1st in the summer, then scoots has my attention (We live in New England with a short summer) You're are correct! Lithium batteries have come down in price bigtime! You are very welcome...and I hope you get one. The Ebay deal is a great price..cause as you know they are retailing as high as $150.00 ... Oh..and by the way...well I do rock.. a pic to show proof...caught right in the middle of the "Crazy Train" riff..by ozzy..  Attachments:
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Post by prodigit on Apr 18, 2013 17:57:36 GMT -5
I'd wait until winter. The battery usually performs better in summer than winter.
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Post by carasdad on Apr 18, 2013 18:08:17 GMT -5
I'd wait until winter. The battery usually performs better in summer than winter. I used my Lithium battery all winter..never had to float charge it like my gf's 'wet cell' lead acid battery. Cranked everytime... Now of course I do know you like to negate nearly everything folks post(especially if it's me) and come up with some bizarre and outlandish 'facts' that bear no true testimony. Merely based on speculation. I find it odd that MANY have thanked me for my posts...ideas and suggestions..tips etc that have worked for them. Not seen one for your posts. Not flaming..angry..being rude or disrespectful. Simply stating a fact and asking that if you have nothing positive..only negative things to say to or about me....or my posts. Please refrain and keep it to yourself. Thank you and I hope you enjoy happy and safe riding... |
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Post by skuttadawg on Apr 18, 2013 22:21:36 GMT -5
If you ride often the batery should be fine . Long durations like when in storage , a trickle charger will keep it charged . Battery Tender is a good brand and some can do more than one battery at once .
Yes cold weather lessens a batteries power as to why car batteries are measured in CCA cold cranking amps , as it is always better to have a little extra insted of just enough and with a loss not be enough .
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Post by millsc on Apr 18, 2013 22:25:05 GMT -5
My battery fully charged struggles to start both my scoots, for high compression builds i say get the lithium or a high torque starter or both, on a stock scoot a regular agm should suffice depends on the build, anything over 190 psi compression needs a good battery or starter or both
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Post by prodigit on Apr 19, 2013 1:01:32 GMT -5
I'd wait until winter. The battery usually performs better in summer than winter. I used my Lithium battery all winter..never had to float charge it like my gf's 'wet cell' lead acid battery. Cranked everytime... Now of course I do know you like to negate nearly everything folks post(especially if it's me) and come up with some bizarre and outlandish 'facts' that bear no true testimony. Merely based on speculation. I find it odd that MANY have thanked me for my posts...ideas and suggestions..tips etc that have worked for them. Not seen one for your posts. Not flaming..angry..being rude or disrespectful. Simply stating a fact and asking that if you have nothing positive..only negative things to say to or about me....or my posts. Please refrain and keep it to yourself. Thank you and I hope you enjoy happy and safe riding... ?? And you are? What do you care if I say nothing positive about your thread? My response was in reply to the OP's request, and yes, I did not read the rest of the thread, just suggesting something. I'm sorry your feelings get hurt because no one's there to pat you on the back, but GET OVER IT man! You're sounding like a 5 year old, not getting a cookie; for real... |
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So to take away one part of the ignorance equation...I put in a Lithium with its higher cranking amperage. Ya see...it is easier to fix a battery problem....than it is is to fix youthful ignorance... ;D
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