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Post by phreakshow on Dec 15, 2017 11:28:48 GMT -5
Hi all, I just got myself a new Tao Tao cruiser 50, and was looking at swapping the motor out for a 150. Has anyone done this, or might be able to point me in the right direction?
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Post by terrilee on Dec 15, 2017 12:50:53 GMT -5
hi
hey 1 st let me tell you ive been away for a long time , so.......lol
check and see if all the motor mouns and everything lines up.
May i ask where your from?
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Post by tortoise on Dec 15, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -5
new Tao Tao cruiser 50, and was looking at swapping the motor out for a 150 Unless this is a liquor-cycle situation . . why did you not initially select the 150cc model? NOT seeing much research initiative on your part!   |
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 15, 2017 18:54:54 GMT -5
there are a lot of reasons someone might pick a 50, lets assume everyone who does must be a drunk who has a DUI right? I have a 50 , I have a perfectly valid license, I have insurance, I also own a functional truck, but I must be DUI who can't drive right? I have fun riding this little scooter around, it only does 45, but it's a challenge to keep it going. Did you ever think maybe they don't have the endorsement to ride a 150 right now? maybe they plan on getting that endorsement later
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Post by pistonguy on Dec 16, 2017 5:57:55 GMT -5
there are a lot of reasons someone might pick a 50, lets assume everyone who does must be a drunk who has a DUI right? I have a 50 , I have a perfectly valid license, I have insurance, I also own a functional truck, but I must be DUI who can't drive right? I have fun riding this little scooter around, it only does 45, but it's a challenge to keep it going. Did you ever think maybe they don't have the endorsement to ride a 150 right now? maybe they plan on getting that endorsement later Not sure what part of the country your from but just to share my licker Sickle experience Ive had a endorsement for more than 41 years, I own three Hondas and Kawi and the Chonda 150. I was recruited and moved to NC just over 4 years ago, Purchased my Chonda 150 just before moving down as I thought it would be a fun grocery getter in addition to my mind ride a CBR, can't fit a case of beer on the CBR. I lived on the North Side of Fort Wort then a stint back at the homestead in North East Ohio and never heard of a Licker Sickle until I moved here to NC in Randolph county, this is pretty much mid state. Just off the U-haul I see quite a few Scoots all 50's, and the major percentage in unmaintained condition. Then I was told of the Licker Sickle one must have several Doooies and usually a multitude of other charges driving without a license etc. so the Licker Sickle operators gotta work pretty darn hard to end up on one as there only ride.. So my Chonda 150 was debagged before moving down so I was immediately called a Licker Sickle. Oh and so the Sickles are only supped to go a legal 30mph the 4 wheelers give you no respect and climb all over you to get passed you, I had suv right in the village pass me as I was doing 37mph in aa 35mph zone, its like a local joke everyone calls a Scooter a Licker Sickle. and the what really sucks is I'm label as one too. You will be extremely hard pressed to find a 50 Scooter other than a Licker Sickle here in Randolph county NC, poor saps were riding yesterday out of necessity in 30 degree weather and they will be out in a few hours and its 25 out right now. there not riding them in these conditions because the love riding.. Also beware on swapping out the 50 to a 150 as the Engine case still have the id numbers on it so in a accident etc type situation you may be in trouble. the 50cc requires no insurance or endorsement but the 150 requires both.. I was only told that some Licker Sickles were Debagged 150's like mine, I have never scene one in the four years I've been here |
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Motor swapping?
by: lostforawhile - Dec 16, 2017 11:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 16, 2017 11:49:43 GMT -5
You are required to have a valid license to drive a scooter here,no duis or anything,they really don't pay much attention to speed, if you aren't speeding past cars,they don't seem to care. I had one as swipe cop try to tell me that I had to go the speed limit,but I got that taken care of with his supervisor
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Post by chewbaca on Dec 16, 2017 14:01:30 GMT -5
it seems to me that swopping a $250 brand new 150cc is a good way to get a reliable around town scoot
250$ is not much more than a complete 50cc rebuild
and if you get a used but running 150cc motor
well that would be pretty dang economical
oh and feel free to ignore the turdus he can be a big Richard at times
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Post by pistonguy on Dec 16, 2017 18:39:06 GMT -5
it seems to me that swopping a $250 brand new 150cc is a good way to get a reliable around town scoot 250$ is not much more than a complete 50cc rebuild and if you get a used but running 150cc motor well that would be pretty dang economical oh and feel free to ignore the turdus he can be a big Richard at times  you said Richard |
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 16, 2017 23:04:38 GMT -5
you'll do better with a big block kit, if you get caught with a 250 engine in a 50, you are in some serious , unlicensed unregistered uninsured motorcycle, some of these cops are pretty smart, a big block conversion with the original engine numbers, is more likely to get by
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Post by grumpyunk on Dec 17, 2017 12:49:16 GMT -5
I think lost was referring to a Big Bore kit. The 39mm piston & cylinder can be replaced with a larger bore, reaching near 100cc of displacement. The external dimensions and appearance are exactly the same, big bore or not.
Oversize bore kits are available on-line, and possibly at local shops. Check craigs list for them and possible installation service if needed.
If you go to the largest size, you will be stressing the crankshaft & connecting rod more than a tiny bit. Longevity may be negatively affected.
The smaller 47mm(vs 50/52mm) bore increases displacement to ~70cc, almost 1/3. Most are labeled 80cc kits, but they are not actually that large. Add a 70cc kit, and a larger bore carb, such as a 19mm or 20mm and you should notice a lot more power while hill climbing or running into the wind. Acceleration and top speed will vary based on variator weights, clutch shoe springs, and the spring on the clutch pulley.
tom
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 17, 2017 15:26:58 GMT -5
if you are mechanically inclined it's not that hard to split the case,and install a quality crank, as a foundation for the kit. It's a little pricey, but you end up with a good crank and bearings
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Post by lostforawhile on Dec 17, 2017 15:28:24 GMT -5
I meant to say big bore kit, tired with the flu posting
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Post by phreakshow on Dec 20, 2017 14:18:30 GMT -5
Why didn't I select the 150, simple...I won the 50. So...can't beat free.
Also, on the research end, it seems a pretty simple swap, and at a cost of $250 for a complete 150 setup with all necessities, cheaper than the option of buying a 150 over buying a 50. Where I'm at, a 50 requires nothing but a valid DL to have on the road, but I was going to go ahead and tag/license/insure on conversion to the 150.
And so we are clear, no DUIs, no problems with my license, just using the scoot as a vastly superior choice when it comes to fuel economy given the unseasonable weather.
And don't have a MC endorsement yet, but once the 150 swap is done, I can always get one.
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Post by phreakshow on Dec 20, 2017 14:22:24 GMT -5
@ terrilee, I'm scooting in KC, MO
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Post by tortoise on Jan 1, 2018 15:39:41 GMT -5
seems a pretty simple swap |
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