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Post by wheelbender6 on Aug 13, 2017 19:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by mjsfoto1956 on Aug 13, 2017 20:49:09 GMT -5
I think even the Chinese are now seeing eScooters as the natural replacement for the late, great 50cc. Change is inevitable. And it's coming sooner than you think.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 13, 2017 21:23:59 GMT -5
China has to as they are addressing the worst pollution crisis of just about any country in the world and are developing vehicles for the same countries in Europe, Asia and Africa who follow Euro Air Regulations. They may become the leaders in low pollution vehicles due to the crisis air quality conditions that they are facing. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Maybe the Chinese will perfect a viable heat vaporizer carb that can economically change the game and rescue the lower cc bikes. With a heat vaporizer carb an engine becomes multi-fuel and can burn just about anything including diluted used crankcase oil (filtered first of course) at 4 times the efficiency of a carb or even current fuel injected engines and run cleaner like natural gas fired engines.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 14, 2017 10:54:28 GMT -5
China has to as they are addressing the worst pollution crisis of just about any country in the world and are developing vehicles for the same countries in Europe, Asia and Africa who follow Euro Air Regulations. They may become the leaders in low pollution vehicles due to the crisis air quality conditions that they are facing. It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Maybe the Chinese will perfect a viable heat vaporizer carb that can economically change the game and rescue the lower cc bikes. With a heat vaporizer carb an engine becomes multi-fuel and can burn just about anything including diluted used crankcase oil (filtered first of course) at 4 times the efficiency of a carb or even current fuel injected engines and run cleaner like natural gas fired engines.
That carb is news to me, and sounds like a MAJOR winner!Sounds like a "low-tech" answer that likely requires major "high-tech" to actually work. Just might be the answer. I think there will always be a market for the 50cc bikes for many reasons, but you can't get one if they aren't made... And, if used ones are banned from re-selling. I'm all for doing everything WITHIN REASON to take care of our planet, but sometimes the moonbats carry things beyond all reason... Seems they often want to filter everything out of our air, EXCEPT pot smoke... LOL!
Whether a fifty, or a Boss Hog, ride safe!Leo in Texas |
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Post by pistonguy on Aug 14, 2017 20:16:04 GMT -5
The Legendary Pogue "Vapor Maker" has been around since the Thirties.
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Post by w650 on Aug 15, 2017 18:43:36 GMT -5
I get that 50cc engines may become extinct in Japan but I don't see how that affects the rest of the world. Honda just bought a factory in China to build the Metropolitan. Plus Honda and Yamaha signed an agreement to build small scooters together in Japan. The Cub and Monkey Bike aren't scooters either. Given that sixty-five percent of scooter sales here are 50cc I'm thinking they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 15, 2017 22:13:29 GMT -5
If Euro4 is pushing them out then that impacts 3 continents Europe, Asia and Africa unless some countries make an exception for the 50cc engine.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 15, 2017 22:35:43 GMT -5
Leo - If a guy like this who works for a rural gas company can do it then anyone can:
The concept is really not that different from the vapor generators used in gasoline powered stoves and lamps such as your Coleman 425 or 413 stoves from over the past century or so.
Here is a multi-fuel version of the old Petromax vapor lamp which has been redesigned to burn anything from kerosene, gasoline, diesel, citronella, used crankcase oil, jet fuel to olive oil. These guys are local to me and I have verified that this thing can burn just about any fuel with the only real gotcha is that if its too thick of an oil base such as goopy black old crankcase oil you need to mix it with a 50/50 blend of something thinner that will cut it and if its got a lot of solids in it obviously put it through a filter. Using of a capfull of a good carb cleaner such as the Berryman product that you will see me recommending every 10th tank of fuel is recommended.
Some of the Esoteric will cry foul however if these simple homey folk can do it then it can't be that impossible.
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Post by w650 on Aug 22, 2017 16:11:19 GMT -5
One has to wonder what would happen to scooters in America with the demise of 50cc models. Electric scooters might be practical but lack the visceral feel of a gas engine. The 50cc scooter is a gateway to larger rides, their extinction might disrupt any growth in scooters.
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