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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 11, 2017 21:22:49 GMT -5
I hate to be a drag ol man ( even tho I'm not far behind you) there's no way a guy let alone a chick drops a big inch Harley into gear under load from neutral ,, it would break every shaft and gear set in the box if you could get it to go into gear in the first place,, I'm sorry chopster but I'm callin bs on this one,, and the only way that tank was pulling anywhere near a 12 was on an 1:8 mile ,,,fuel bikes were only a tic off the numbers you posted,, you'd have to have real live gumball slicks (current for the day) and screw the rim to the tire ( current for the day) to keep the rim from spinning in the tire,, too much conjecture here,, you didn't just waltze up with a driver and rip sub 12,second second quarters when dedicated nitro fuel bikes were barely making those numbers all because the tires werent upto it
Oh boy, here we go again.I realize you're a fan of Piston Guy, and that's fine. Everybody needs a friend... However, you SEE the time-slips. Oswego raced ONLY a quarter-mile. Check Jan's slip... Ever seen any Harley turn 139-mph in the EIGHTH-MILE? I DON'T THINK SO.
A well-setup Norton 750 could break into the low 12's back then, even with its skinny 20" rear tire!!! I had a lifelong friend who built a street-racer Norton 750 that would run neck and neck with my chopper... Low elevens all day long, and YES, he had little 76-pound Jan take it down the quarter-mile at Union Grove, and YES she got it into the high-tens. He insisted she use the clutch... LOL!
You also saw my post when researching street-driven choppers of the period and found NUMEROUS ones running in the LOW TENS, and one knucklehead in Pamona, turning in the NINES!
And yes, THOSE times were VERY close to all-out fuel drag-bikes of the period. NOT just me, not common, but happened on a regular basis. Just where do you think those old time-slips came from?
As I said, I would NOT do the no-clutch launch, but teeny Jan did. Every other tooth ground off the gearset by Triangle Motorcycle of Chicago, the SAME firm that built the motor. $20K in 1963, $200K in today's bucks. I got them to float me, promising to pay off in a year from street-racing proceeds. And I kept my promise.Triangle knew how to build 10-11 second street engines, and I knew how to ride. Good grief, 11-second street Hogs weren't even UNUSUAL back then! Today, we have 10-second BAGGERS!The rear tire, a Goodyear "Grasshopper" had a round profile, with block tread but definitely NOT a knobby. A precursor to our modern slick street tires with rain-grooves. They ran smooth on the street, had a little better traction off road, and grabbed like stink on asphalt.
On the street, in ONE summer, I made over $25K outlaw dragging which PAID for the motor.I only posted this as a fun "factoid" of something modern riders will never do, and have some fun. No bragging, just fun, but trust me, it's true with the time-slips to prove it to those who insist on calling me a liar. And just for the record, I beat several trailered-in fuel drag-bikes both on the strip, and in outlaw street drags. No slicks needed, no tires screwed to the rims, and no clutch used for shifting. I will concede that I used black-tar tire sealant on the rear rim to glue the tire. THAT was PLENTY to keep 250hp and 300 lb/ft of torque from spinning the rim inside the tire. Yup, rode into the pits, drained the tank and refilled with Sunoco Blue 260, pulled the mufflers (that summer I ran Sportster muffs on the street at the request of local police) re-jetted the carb for straight-pipes, tweaked the mechanical timer-advance and ripped off low elevens ALL DAY LONG... Any frickin' day, any frickin' time and for any frickin' amount of money. I sent more than a few trailered dragsters home, and when my weight kept "Old Blue" outta the TENS, Jan would take over, shaving off that extra needed second. I realize this pisses you and Piston Guy off a lot, but NOT as much as your calling me out as a liar when I was there, and did it.
Sorry, I'm NOT normally a confrontational guy, but this never-ending calling me out on something truthful, and posted for fun, is wearing very thin. Good grief, you'd think I was Al Gore claiming I invented the Internet... LO not so L. This forum is SUPPOSED to be informational and enjoyable, but it's turning into a sophomoric "he say/she say" bunch of nonsense. All I can say is "Ya shoulda been there". Naah... You still wouldn't believe it. This whole thing was a reminiscing post for fun for newer members, relating some fun things we did back then, which would never be allowed today. Do us both a favor, check the Net like I did, for sixties choppers on the strip, and when you find the numerous street Harleys running FASTER than mine, even in the nines, and some FASTER than some fuel drag Hogs, you can post an apology. Leo (here's a quarter, call someone who cares) in Texas |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 11, 2017 22:25:25 GMT -5
Sorry Leo, but when I first read the title I thought it was going to be a story (like on the George Noory radio show) about walking around a corner and finding yourself in 1967. (but I guess in a way it was.) I wouldn't worry about it too much, you know what you did and that's all there is to it. A little something from the old days. (You can see even more on Youtube.  )
Hey, THANKS for the video post! Have a bone.Really brings back memories... A lot better memories than I'm making here recently... LOL!What IS it with members posting "it's BS" "never happened"... etc. Have they NEVER checked out the net to see what riders were ACTUALLY doing back then? Wears REALLY thin. Piston Guy just posted a swell piece on nitrous on his scoot. I'd actually like to compliment him on that one, but I don't dare even say something nice. Lately I can't post anything without somebody jumping in my $hit. At least my geriatric riding pals and I can enjoy the memories of crazy stuff we did... The rest can pound sand.Ride safe, and don't post anything interesting unless you want to be treated like a leper. Leo (wishing I could deep-six this arthritis and get back to REAL bikes and REAL people) in Texas |
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Post by cyborg55 on Aug 11, 2017 23:10:10 GMT -5
You ever do a "drop" or anything no matter what size motor into gear when it's under load?,,, I say it's impossible,, or damed near it,,, I'm still callin bs
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Post by cyborg55 on Aug 11, 2017 23:26:12 GMT -5
I'm not in anyone's camp ,,,'if you think for one single solitary moment you can drop an engine into gear under full load you're dreaming,, as far as me being aligned with piston guy yes I guess I am,, he designs engine internals for world class race teams I think that qualifies him as an expert,,,, Say what you will he ( piston guy) is a stalwart expert,,, with the experience and knowledge to back up his stuff,,,,,
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Post by cyborg55 on Aug 11, 2017 23:29:44 GMT -5
And as Shakespeare quoted " thou protest too much"
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Post by spandi on Aug 12, 2017 1:26:04 GMT -5
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Post by pistonguy on Aug 12, 2017 7:21:13 GMT -5
This is one of the most amazing fish stories Ive ever heard, I mean really Choppersquid try to at least make a good college attempt at a somewhat credible/believable story.
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Post by pistonguy on Aug 12, 2017 7:52:34 GMT -5
This is one of the most amazing fish tales Ive ever heard, Choppersquid at least make a good College attempt at a credible believable story. took ya a couple weeks to put it together huh? This notion of at RPM Neutral Drops by Hand at the Tree is Ridiculous, anyone who has Pulled starts either at the Drag Strip or MX track knows It is Not the Hot SetUp to at RPM Dump the Clutch, ya either Wheelie or Spin the Tire, there is No In-between. and Umpaloompa is doing a at RPM Neutral Drop by Hand.  It Wouldnt even go into gear, and If such Miracle would happen the Bike would go Skyward if Hooked up or Spin if Not. even with my H-1 on homemade Wheelie Bars the Best Et's are obtained by Rolling out the Clutch As the Throttle Rolls On Controlling Both my Wheel Spin And Wheelie, This took great Discipline as to not just Dump the Clutch at the Go Light. Knowing some of us speak the engine math/engine language your Extremely Short on Any Details on How you made yours go, nada, nothing Grinding every other tooth HuH? Undercutting Gears has been around Forever, the proper way. Barnyard Butchery but then your type that actually purchased a 50cc 2-T Chamber and Bolted it to a 150cc Four Stroke thinking is some Hot Set-Up, the only explanation you could offer was "I had Special Clearance in the Army so I'm so smart believe me".. Some Zip found a container of these Chambers and Welded flanges to fit 150cc Four Strokes and you are gullible enough to Buy one , Only in Scooter Market do we see this. None of this goes anywhere with me. |
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Post by pistonguy on Aug 12, 2017 8:01:30 GMT -5
btw, Neutral Drops have been Banned Forever at every Drag strip and sanctioning body if your in a Car for Obvious reasons.
Ive actually never seen anyone do something so stupid on a bike, first simply it won't go into gear at rpm. If ya did hit the shifter with a sledge hammer she would go vertical, you couldn't get Over the Tank far enough on a HD to keep it down.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Aug 12, 2017 12:05:58 GMT -5
Ive actually never seen anyone do something so stupid on a bike, first simply it won't go into gear at rpm. then there is a difference between a car tranny and a bike tranny. you can depress a car clutch, floor the throttle, and easily put it into any gear you choose. my guess is, a bike tranny lacks a synchronized gearing system. even this wouldn't prevent going into gear at rpm. (i assume you are talking mid to full throttle here). depressing the clutch completely disengages the engine from the tranny, there is nothing spinning in the tranny (except shortly after depressing the clutch). i do not doubt you, but i would like an explanation as to why a bike tranny won't go into gear at rpm with a depressed clutch. you don't even need a clutch (except when starting from a standstill) if you can shift it properly. i've done exactly that with my 4 speed ford pinto. |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2017 12:19:31 GMT -5
OK guys...
Let's play a game.You post pix of your wives and kids if you have any, just to show the members how nice it is to have a family.
Then, I'll make a sarcastic reply saying THOSE are NOT your family, and I can prove it.Then, you post scans of your marriage license and the kid's birth certificates... You know, sort of their "time slips".Then, I'll get REALLY tacky like you, and call your whole family a fish-story... That can't be your wife, there were NO women in your town the year you were married... And, your KIDS? You don't have kids. Those birth certificates are wrong. NO children were born in that year.YOU are liars, self-righteous stuffed-shirt-creeps and generally full of $hit. Of course, YOU know who your wives and kids are, YOU were there at the wedding and the kid's births... BUT I don't give a crap. You are liars and don't have wives or kids. I know because I'm almighty smart and you are dummies, trying to make us believe you actually HAVE a family.
How's THAT for a swell game? Just your speed I think.
I was there. I ran the 11-second runs. Jan ran the 10-second run sans-clutch. (You might note the timer's tag: Go Girl!) You're not addressing some jerk who "heard of this". You're addressing the guy who was there and did it.You are bullies, trolls, liars and in general a disgrace to the site. Do YOU treat guys in person this way? If so, HOW did you EVER live to reach adulthood?
Piston Guy: you have a nice post on nitrous for your scoot. I'd like to compliment you on that, but I really need to trash you, tell you your a liar because nobody makes a nitrous kit for scooters and your pix are fake. Of COURSE I know your post is truthful. But you need a lesson in jerkology.
Let's see... What else can you trash me over? Did you know I did the banner for "ItIsTheRide"? Doug had the concept, and I did the art. Of course, you won't believe that either... It's guys like you who drive the decent members away in disgust, especially new members who don't expect a snide and caustic reply to a question simply because they are not knowledgeable. So sad this formerly good forum has degenerated into the same lowlife crap as most others.
You treat STUPIDITY as a VIRTUE, and in YOUR cases, I guess THAT is true.Have a great life... Go kick a puppy, slap a kid, pee on somebody's ride, or whatever you do in real life to make yourselves feel big. VERY sincerely,The Old Chopper Guy
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2017 12:30:54 GMT -5
Ive actually never seen anyone do something so stupid on a bike, first simply it won't go into gear at rpm. then there is a difference between a car tranny and a bike tranny. you can depress a car clutch, floor the throttle, and easily put it into any gear you choose. my guess is, a bike tranny lacks a synchronized gearing system. even this wouldn't prevent going into gear at rpm. (i assume you are talking mid to full throttle here). depressing the clutch completely disengages the engine from the tranny, there is nothing spinning in the tranny (except shortly after depressing the clutch). i do not doubt you, but i would like an explanation as to why a bike tranny won't go into gear at rpm with a depressed clutch. you don't even need a clutch (except when starting from a standstill) if you can shift it properly. i've done exactly that with my 4 speed ford pinto. Yeah, Jan and I did this stuff, and the jerks can't handle the proof. Now, expect to be character-assassinated by Piston Guy. This guy takes disrespect to a new level. Ride safe! Leo in Texas |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2017 12:35:10 GMT -5
You ever do a "drop" or anything no matter what size motor into gear when it's under load?,,, I say it's impossible,, or damed near it,,, I'm still callin bs
Agreed: is IS "damed near impossible" but it IS possible. Especially when the bike weighs less than 400 pounds, the rider weighs 76 pounds and the motor won't turn faster than 3,500 rpm. AS I SAID: "I WOULDN'T DO IT WITH MY 375 POUNDS ABOARD. IT WOULD TEAR THE TRANNY OUT OF THE FRAME". I am SO sick of people who never met me, were NOT there, and have total disrespect telling me I didn't do something I did... or in this case, little Jan did. Leo (totally fed up) in Texas |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2017 12:52:36 GMT -5
I'm not in anyone's camp ,,,'if you think for one single solitary moment you can drop an engine into gear under full load you're dreaming,, as far as me being aligned with piston guy yes I guess I am,, he designs engine internals for world class race teams I think that qualifies him as an expert,,,, Say what you will he ( piston guy) is a stalwart expert,,, with the experience and knowledge to back up his stuff,,,,, Wrong, wrong, WRONG!!! A 76 pound girl on a 400 pound bike with the engine at 3,500 rpm... It WORKS and works well. CHECK THE FRIGGIN' TIME SLIP!!!!!!! As for Piston Guy, I don't care if he built the Space Shuttle. He's a jerk, runs his mouth without putting his brain in gear and in general is a disgrace to the site. He makes no apology for telling the site what he thinks of me, and I gladly return the insult. Leo (TOTALLY fed up with the crap) in Texas |
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Post by rockynv on Aug 12, 2017 14:24:29 GMT -5
Leo - I truly believe people like that did in part build the Space Shuttle. I worked on the team trying to rescue it from what they had done but we couldn't because of the great cost involved in just unitizing the design in a CAD environment which was a very sad thing for all involved. Some may also cry bunk on that but I worked with the Joint Chiefs, NASA, British Aerospace and a number of other agencies on that one and there just was not enough money allocated to pull it off. I was there in the thick of it so I know what we discussed in our conference rooms and how many different ways we tried to fix things but alas we were told to stand down and let it pass. There are some folks no matter how brilliant others think they are or they think themselves would have left me no choice but to hand them a pink slip for misconduct if they worked for me.
Now before we allow these folks to get us to vent too far and get ourselves banned maybe we should step away for a few and chill doing something we enjoy. No sense in getting ill over this as you need to think more about your wife and family too since they need you so very dearly as they face their existing health issues. I say this with all humility and respect.
Kind regards,
Rocky
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