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Post by oldchopperguy on Aug 12, 2017 16:40:12 GMT -5
Leo - I truly believe people like that did in part build the Space Shuttle. I worked on the team trying to rescue it from what they had done but we couldn't because of the great cost involved in just unitizing the design in a CAD environment which was a very sad thing for all involved. Some may also cry bunk on that but I worked with the Joint Chiefs, NASA, British Aerospace and a number of other agencies on that one and there just was not enough money allocated to pull it off. I was there in the thick of it so I know what we discussed in our conference rooms and how many different ways we tried to fix things but alas we were told to stand down and let it pass. There are some folks no matter how brilliant others think they are or they think themselves would have left me no choice but to hand them a pink slip for misconduct if they worked for me. Now before we allow these folks to get us to vent too far and get ourselves banned maybe we should step away for a few and chill doing something we enjoy. No sense in getting ill over this as you need to think more about your wife and family too since they need you so very dearly as they face their existing health issues. I say this with all humility and respect. Kind regards, Rocky
Rocky,
Your advice is most welcome and appreciated.  Have a big, fat bone on me!I very seldom lose my temper, but this guy finally goaded me into lowering myself to his level, and for that I apologize. He also got me SO P.O.'d with his incessant calling me a liar over things I've done, that I snapped at my sweet  -year-old wife. I have never done that in 36 years. She's followed this garbage, and plainly told me "I know your friends from fifty years back, who raced with you, and told me all about "Old Blue" and "Janice the Flying Squirrel"... Get off that stupid forum, dump the scooter, screw the arthritis and get a real bike, and real friends again". "We can NOT afford it, but I think there's a relatively cheap Indian Scout or Harley Street Rod out there with your name on it."Well, that is probably good general advice, but I'm a long-term member here (almost a "founding member") and there are mostly good folks on the forum (I did NOT start this crap). And, I honestly love "Minnie Mouse"... She's far more practical than a chopper, and actually in general, rides BETTER than my old Hog Baggers. More affordable too... LOL!When a troll gets me so irritated with lies and trash that I mistreat my own wife, it's time to leave him in his parent's basement to lurk and trash somebody else. You can't win a pissin' contest with a skunk, and I'm about done here.
Sometimes I think you and I are "brothers from another mother"... Thanks again for the good advice. I also need to seriously consider the missus' advice too. Women are more practical than guys. The trash-talkers have ruined the informational posts, intimidated the newcomers, insulted the old-timers and the enjoyment is really gone from this site.
Guess I'll go put a few fast miles on "the mouse" and clear my head.Many thanks, and ride safe!
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Aug 12, 2017 19:49:01 GMT -5
Leo - I truly believe people like that did in part build the Space Shuttle. I worked on the team trying to rescue it from what they had done but we couldn't because of the great cost involved in just unitizing the design in a CAD environment which was a very sad thing for all involved. Some may also cry bunk on that but I worked with the Joint Chiefs, NASA, British Aerospace and a number of other agencies on that one and there just was not enough money allocated to pull it off. I was there in the thick of it so I know what we discussed in our conference rooms and how many different ways we tried to fix things but alas we were told to stand down and let it pass. There are some folks no matter how brilliant others think they are or they think themselves would have left me no choice but to hand them a pink slip for misconduct if they worked for me. Now before we allow these folks to get us to vent too far and get ourselves banned maybe we should step away for a few and chill doing something we enjoy. No sense in getting ill over this as you need to think more about your wife and family too since they need you so very dearly as they face their existing health issues. I say this with all humility and respect. Kind regards, Rocky i dunno man, the shuttle was an incredible piece of engineering for its time in my opinion. from design to man rated orbit in only 3 flights? the first, a drop glide test, the second the specific landing pattern, the third was the orbital launch. you also have to remember that before the shuttle, there was no such thing as a "flight computer" sure, we auto pilots, but these had a human backup that could take over if the auto pilot failed. the computers on the shuttle had no such backup capability, if the computers failed, the crew was screwed. the shuttle itself was about as unstable as you could get flightwise (imagine attaching a pair of stubby wings to brick) and it was these computers that made it possible, a human crew couldn't make the needed "adjustments" to keep the shuttle stable. all in all, it was an awesome piece of craftmanship. (in my humble opinion of course) |
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Post by rockynv on Aug 12, 2017 21:14:47 GMT -5
Dollar - They were assembled by some amazing craftsmen and yes it was an amazing accomplishment for the time but some involved were not as good team players as the rest. Biggest hurdle we faced was lack of conformity between the different orbiters so no really common parts existed between them aside from some standard electrical parts and the more basic hardware items along with a smattering of other items. It was not like having three Dodge Darts and being able to swap a fender, door or bracket from one to another. Every one required a separate set of thousands of hand made drawings to maintain with some of them hanger wall sized and it was becoming a monumental task to deal with over time. The only major area that was fully vetted out in a 3D CAD system toward the end that we were aware of was the cargo bay and robotic deployment arm.
I did not simply read an internet blurb or article about it or come up with this by conjecture but I am speaking as one who was there on the contracting team tasked with a financially viable means to convert all these various drawings that were to different scales and on a variety of media into a common computer based library. Nothing available at the time could handle it and meet the budget constraints due to the large manual effort that would have been involved. There was also the major hurdle of getting every agency to agree on whether to use Cadia, MicroStation or Autocad with each camp deeply entrenched. I felt that since so much work on the cargo bay and deployment systems had already been done in MicroStation which is a pretty large section of the structure that building off of that would have been the most logical. However it was all cancelled.
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-year-old wife. I have never done that in 36 years.
