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by: dollartwentyfive - Mar 20, 2017 16:59:30 GMT -5
Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 20, 2017 16:59:30 GMT -5
While I know this will raise hackles I am a firm believer in carburetion. The diaphragm carbs on our scooters and my motorcycles work by engine vacuum. The engine says what it wants and the carb delivers. No sensors to go bad and require $100 analysis by a technician plus the expensive parts. Good gas and a little Seafoam and you're in business. they also have the advantage of not needing rejetting at higher altitudes. at least that's what i've heard.
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by: crawford - Mar 20, 2017 17:11:39 GMT -5
Post by crawford on Mar 20, 2017 17:11:39 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you on carburetors and altitudes, even on my coach with it's generator it have a lever to comers ate for going into mountain's after leaving sea grade. I was hoping going bigger and a lot newer they would have put in fuel injection and be done with it. Heck even your lawnmowers are starting to mover in that direction.
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by: dollartwentyfive - Mar 20, 2017 21:57:15 GMT -5
Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 20, 2017 21:57:15 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you on carburetors and altitudes, even on my coach with it's generator it have a lever to comers ate for going into mountain's after leaving sea grade. I was hoping going bigger and a lot newer they would have put in fuel injection and be done with it. Heck even your lawnmowers are starting to mover in that direction. here is a page that seems to suggest that they do: advrider.com/index.php?threads/cv-carb-altitude.1021824/
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Post by rockynv on Mar 21, 2017 4:49:31 GMT -5
Most of us realize by now that ABS on most Chinese bikes is not really ABS but a pressure reducer or restricter to limit how fast you can lock up the front brakes. There are no sensors or intelligence just a spring to cause the valve to restict fluid flowing to the front brake when you do a fast pull on the lever. correct, the chinese ABS isn't a true anti-lock, but it does go a very long way at protecting the rider. you still need to be careful when navigating loose stuff, wet leaves, etc. plus, most people ride their scooters like they did their 10 speeds, squeezing both brake levers equally. this in itself teaches improper technique. hey, who's that guy in the middle of the atlantic ocean? The Chinese restricter does not do much else but fail giving you reduced control over your braking. Just a gimmic for the most part to lull folks into thinking they got more than they paid for. sMy Aprilia does not have ABS or the Chinese restrictor and the brakes are vastly superior to the fake ABS Equipped brakes that were on my Chinese bike. These artificial intelligence systems that are designed to fix stupid are mostly a crutch that people use to allow themselves to be lazy and unattentive drivers/riders. Just pay attention and learn how to drive/ride without ABS, etc when you go to driving school and you will be a better driver/rider and have the training required to handle the situation when these automated system throw a warning light on the dash and cease to function or in the case of the Chinese system just fail completely with absolutely no warning at all leaving you with no front brakes. Instead of going after the phone users, pokymon go players, texters, etc and forcing these folks to follow best practice we are now putting automated systems in cars to override the driver and slam on the brakes or even make lane corrections for them instead of just taking their licenses away getting them off the road. This is all the result of a society and mentallity that caters/panders to the stupid and lazy. It is unfortunately just as Forest Gump said.
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by: rockynv - Mar 21, 2017 4:52:41 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Mar 21, 2017 4:52:41 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you on carburetors and altitudes, even on my coach with it's generator it have a lever to comers ate for going into mountain's after leaving sea grade. I was hoping going bigger and a lot newer they would have put in fuel injection and be done with it. Heck even your lawnmowers are starting to mover in that direction. Thats because they cheaped out on the carb on them however I have never been high enough on any mountain on the Eastern Seaboard from Florida to Northern Canada to really need to adjust that lever,
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by: w650 - Mar 21, 2017 8:15:12 GMT -5
Post by w650 on Mar 21, 2017 8:15:12 GMT -5
I've heard the stories of Chinese restrictors failing for years but not on any scooter forums in the nine years I've been on. Mine has never even done anything in the nine years I've owned it. Maybe I've never done anything wrong but I've never had any complaints with my brakes. Obviously they're no match for an Aprilia but then again I won't be doing 80 mph either.
But back to the original topic. I commuted for years and the last thing I needed to worry about was if some technical feature would fail. I literally had both brake light switches wear out in the 125,000 miles I owned my Z-1000. I can't imagine what would have happened if I had all the wiz-bang features on some of today's bikes. I would have worn any scooter to death in that mileage but my Z kept on going.
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by: spandi - Mar 21, 2017 9:15:09 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by spandi on Mar 21, 2017 9:15:09 GMT -5
A couple of points here. I was raised in the age of leaky, cranky British bikes and Harley 74s. Drum brakes were all that existed. Read the magazines and see the Rocket Science existing in today's bikes. Traction control, ABS, computer compensated valve timing, variable throttle maps, Yaw controlled traction control that compensates for lean angles. Fuel injection and ABS are but a small part of the equation. While I know this will raise hackles I am a firm believer in carburetion. The diaphragm carbs on our scooters and my motorcycles work by engine vacuum. The engine says what it wants and the carb delivers. No sensors to go bad and require $100 analysis by a technician plus the expensive parts. Good gas and a little Seafoam and you're in business. Well have you seen what Honda has now? A self balancing, self driving motorcycle that will even follow it owner around like a puppy dog. Now where is the riding fun in that?
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by: dollartwentyfive - Mar 21, 2017 10:42:26 GMT -5
Post by dollartwentyfive on Mar 21, 2017 10:42:26 GMT -5
The Chinese restricter does not do much else but fail giving you reduced control over your braking. Just a gimmic for the most part to lull folks into thinking they got more than they paid for. i don't think chinese ABS is a gimmick. they are installed for a perfectly valid reason. i can only speak of my experiences, and let there be no doubt, i rode my bike fast and hard. of course, i was well aware of places and circumstances that could be hazardous, painted surfaces, road snakes, etc. my ABS never "failed" in that it just quit working, and i've never had a need or desire to remove it, and i'm positive it has saved my skin more than once. i would very much rather have a chinese ABS than no ABS, by about a million to one. this does not, however, alleviate the need to teach proper braking technique and why it is vital to learn it. ABS systems can fail, no matter who made them, and without the proper braking technique you can definitely find yourself in a fatal situation. my chinese ABS never gave me a bit of trouble.
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by: crawford - Mar 21, 2017 11:22:57 GMT -5
Post by crawford on Mar 21, 2017 11:22:57 GMT -5
and your saying you have a 100 plus Georgetown a class with that lever rockynv
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by: rockynv - Mar 21, 2017 11:58:12 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Mar 21, 2017 11:58:12 GMT -5
and your saying you have a 100 plus Georgetown a class with that lever rockynv Gasoline powered 5.5 Kw Onan Marquis Gold by Cummins on which I have installed the hard wired Energy Command system. That is the low rpm model in the full enclosure. Hate the high rpm series that spin at about twice as fast which they put in more expensive coaches than my Winnebago Adventurer 35U. The 35U for me is about the best floor plan ever put in a Class A Gas Coach. I agree that the bells and whistles are what go first and too many times the cost to repair them exceeds the value of the vehicle.
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by: crawford - Mar 21, 2017 12:52:21 GMT -5
Post by crawford on Mar 21, 2017 12:52:21 GMT -5
all that I can say is I have used mine 2 times out west and it worked really well guess it was made just for my unit LOL two each is own getting her ready again wife is packing as we speak been looking for a new trailer to haul both Zodiac's and my saturn
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by: rockynv - Mar 22, 2017 4:28:30 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Mar 22, 2017 4:28:30 GMT -5
all that I can say is I have used mine 2 times out west and it worked really well guess it was made just for my unit LOL two each is own getting her ready again wife is packing as we speak been looking for a new trailer to haul both Zodiac's and my saturn On the genset carb compared to the scooter carb though its apples and oranges as most scooters and bikes have a Constant Velocity Slide carburetor that does an admirable job at compensation with changes in elevation while most generator sets do not have a CV Slide carb so they have the elevation compensator that you can adjust if there is a problaem. On the Seafoam we've pretty well established that since its mostly alcohol it can make Ethanol related issues worse and that your better off with a carb/fuel system cleaner that is lower in alcohol content such as Berrymans.
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Post by ricardoguitars on Mar 22, 2017 7:10:12 GMT -5
If you can't drive without driver assistance, you shouldn't be driving, sell your ride and take the bus, lol. That's the problem with vehicle manufacturers, they want everyone behind the wheel/handle bars, but not everyone is good to the job, some people shouldn't be driving, lack of attention, way too aggressive, or just plain stupid, among others.
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by: w650 - Mar 22, 2017 8:58:58 GMT -5
Post by w650 on Mar 22, 2017 8:58:58 GMT -5
Seafoam's alcohol is petroleum based, the junk in gasoline is corn based. They behave completely differently. More than a few people here have used Seafoam successfully. My own experience is that it works and has kept the ethanol blues away.
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by: rockynv - Mar 22, 2017 11:37:33 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Mar 22, 2017 11:37:33 GMT -5
Seafoam's alcohol is petroleum based, the junk in gasoline is corn based. They behave completely differently. More than a few people here have used Seafoam successfully. My own experience is that it works and has kept the ethanol blues away. The last time I looked Seafoam actually had both however Berrymans as good as some have experienced from Seafoam is even better.
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