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Post by brandjur on Aug 8, 2013 18:09:40 GMT -5
Wow! That shows the SYM quality. I think you are due for new rings at least, if not a rebuild. If I were you, I would just keep on riding it and check the oil more often. Ride until it dies.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 7, 2013 14:36:55 GMT -5
No big bore kit? I would say your jetting is too high.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 7, 2013 11:25:57 GMT -5
I was just thinking, Since I have the original motor in the scooter and the build on the bench, I'm going to run a compression test on the running motor and compare the numbers to the other motor with each the hoca, and the BBK supplied piston . That should tell a lot There ya go! That's how to do it.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 6, 2013 22:02:37 GMT -5
I don't agree with an extra base gasket to compensate or hard starting . I would work with timing for start up. John I do agree with you, but the piston has already been purchased. The dome of the piston has already affected the quench area of the engine and yes, Hoca pistons are designed for increased compression. Has an extra gasket been practiced in all types of engine building, YES. From turbos to stroker engines. Also, for extra clearance from the valves, there is no other choice but to add the base gasket. Personally, I wouldn't have chosen the Hoca piston for mostly normal driving. Just wondering, are you proposing a product you carry for the timing change?
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Post by brandjur on Aug 6, 2013 12:31:24 GMT -5
It shouldn't be a problem as long as the cylinder is good and there aren't wear marks. Did the old piston rings scratch the cylinder walls?
Hoca parts are usually synonymous with racing, so the dome is there to increase the compression. You might not like the extra compression as it can lead to harder starting and a tighter tolerance with the a/f mixture. To compensate, people add a 2nd base gasket to lower the compression.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 5, 2013 22:54:51 GMT -5
Sounds like you have a Bando belt. I have an original Bando on my Sym Fiddle II and it has over 5700 miles on it. It has so much more life left. That being said, maybe next year I will change the belt as preventative. That's part of buying a higher quality scooter, it comes with the quality parts.
Now, on my chinese 50cc based scooter, I did change the chinese belt with a Gates.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 2, 2013 15:02:29 GMT -5
Very nice. Not bad at all.
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Post by brandjur on Aug 2, 2013 11:24:25 GMT -5
The size, 61mm vs 63mm is the radius cut on the head. You can see it from below. The valve sizes might be the same size for 61 vs 63.
I measured my intake port on the NCY big valve 58.5mm head and it was 26mm (+2mm than stock). The intake and exhaust valves were both 2mm larger diameter than stock as well.
Even if you get a 30mm intake manifold w/ built in spacer and 30mm carb, you still have restrictions in the head. Some people might port match. That is up to you. If I were looking for straight bolt-ons, I would look for 26mm matching components. Do a search and you might find that some people have a difficult time tuning a 30mm carb for the 150 even with bbk. Those 30mm carbs are really meant for 250cc.
What you are doing is very very good. I see a lot of people that buy stuff and then they are like....."uh, I need help. How do I do this." It is very important to blueprint your mods before you purchase them so it is balanced as well as understand how to install and tune.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 31, 2013 14:19:36 GMT -5
That head doesn't look bad at all. I bought my NCY head because it was the size I wanted and it cost the same amount as that one.
Yeah, people don't know about the spring bind or valve float. But for most of people's riding habits here, it isn't an issue. We are talking about regular street riding and reliability.
I wouldn't port and polish the head unless you have done it before....but, it isn't a bad idea to clean up the casting from burs. You could make the head flow worse if you don't know what you are doing. If you do choose to do it, buy a kit with different grits. Think very very mild grits so you don't over cut. Or you can try the de-burr kit. Also, practice on the stock head you won't use.
Personally, I have done porting on half a dozen items from intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds, and heads, all for cars. There is a lot of time and calculations that go into porting. You have to scribe matching components and gaskets, you have to mark the thin areas of metal, and you have to make sure that your porting doesn't make the flow worse. You want the straightest bends with least friction. Larger ports aren't always better, especially if it creates a tighter bend. I didn't port my head because I didn't have the bits ready and didn't want to remove the valves as it is already assembled. Mine is a street rider, not track racer.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 31, 2013 12:03:06 GMT -5
When I looked at the A9 cam for the 139qmb, it didn't have higher lift. It had more overlap and duration (fatter valve opening). However, it is possible to get to the higher rpms with an A9 cam. I would only worry about valve float from 11k rpms if you plan on getting to 11k rpms. Jerseyboy, since you said you wanted reliability, I am assuming you don't want to hang around 11k rpm. So, valve float won't be a worry. Since you also said you don't want to open the case to bore it out, the 60mm should be the max. I went with 58.5mm because I wanted a thicker cylinder sleeve for reliability and heat. Even at 58.5, it gets thin. I started my build last night and it purrrs like a kitten. Will most likely take her out tomorrow. With a stock cam, 58.5mm cylinder kit, 58.5mm head, some restrictions removed from the airbox, I will start with a main jet ~110-120. Just an FYI, here is a comparison of the intake opening between the NCY head and my stock head (has same dimensions as 150cc GY6). Attachments:
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Post by brandjur on Jul 30, 2013 16:12:25 GMT -5
I was also looking at that kit, but I purchased a 58.5mm NCY kit because the piston skirt goes almost all the way around. If you look at the "high compression" or "performance" pistons, you will see the piston skirt is cut out at the wrist pin sides. That means the piston will rock more in the cylinder. More rocking leads to more wear. I was looking for durability and longevity. If you are doing a drag bike or plan on rebuilding in less than normal wear time, then get the lighter high compression pistons. I also added an NCY 58.5mm head. If you do the 26mm carb, there are choke points in the spacer and the stock head. They both measure at 24mm. Now, as far as flow, yes these can be restrictive, but another way to get more air and fuel is duration. That is where a camshaft will work well. I haven't started the engine yet with the bbk upgrades, will probably finish up the build by tomorrow. Attachments:
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Post by brandjur on Jul 29, 2013 15:18:17 GMT -5
Whoa! Sorry to say that is about as bad as it gets. If you are not confident working in the engine, take it to the dealer. If you have to pay, it will cost $$$ at dealer prices.
Decision time.
1. Take it to the dealer for $$$, but professional and faster 2. Do it yourself with the board's help. Less money, but takes much longer.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 29, 2013 12:12:05 GMT -5
Is it just the bbk or do you have an intake or exhaust as well? For those who have done 50mm bbk's, they usually use a higher main jet than # . You might need a # -#92 if all you have is the bbk. To richen the mixture, you need to move the clip to the lowest setting, so the needle actually sits higher. 40 pilot jet is too big, good hting you changed it back. Also, have you checked the spark plug? So we can better help you and get a clearer picture, please list your mods, how it behaved before the bbk, and other history while doing the bbk.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 28, 2013 20:18:24 GMT -5
There are a lot of vehicles that use CVT transmissions. From Audi to Subaru. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vehicles_with_CVT_transmissionSo, what does your spark plug read or look like? Do you have extra spark plugs to do plug chops? I have a stock exhaust on mine and I don't get back firing. You need to properly diagnose the lean/rich mixture and reading the spark plugs is a good way.
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Post by brandjur on Jul 28, 2013 12:40:43 GMT -5
Did the plug read rich?
Since you are a trained automotive mechanic like me, I will try to explain the concept of the torque springs vs variator weights.
The torque springs are installed on the clutch side. It's kind of like putting an automatic car in sport mode. It will have a higher rev point before switching gears, but you know how transmissions can vary gears based on load. The torque springs will try to keep it in lower gears so when you approach a hill or are, cruising-let go of throttle-on throttle again, it is ready in a lower gear for the load.
The variator weights are more rpm dependent on the upshift of gears. However, since increase torque springs want to keep gears lower, you may need heavier weights to counter that force for the appropriate upshift.
The two are not mutually exclusive...which is like driving a car. It is the balance of rpm speed and load when choosing the correct gear for a given vehicle speed. So, yes, if you increase the torque spring, then you may need to increase the variator weights to find your balance. There is no magic formula, but to try a combination and adjust from there for your specific needs and rider weight.
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