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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 8, 2016 19:36:09 GMT -5
I bought the top end rebuild kit off scrappy dogs
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 8, 2016 2:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 7, 2016 21:20:16 GMT -5
Do me a favor , pop the starter gear off from behind the variator then turn the scoot over. How exactly do i do that? |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 7, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -5
Didn't he say he already tried it without the belt and it did the same thing ? The video is without the belt |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 6, 2016 11:38:19 GMT -5
What do you think guys, a high torque starter might help? What would cause it to suddenly need a stronger starter? Nothing has been changed on it in months Also would that contribute to it cutting out mid ride? |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 6, 2016 11:03:17 GMT -5
No start without the belt
Here's video car battery to starter
I didn't tighten back the nut on the variator that's what that high pitch sound is
Here's video car battery to starter, no spark plug
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 5, 2016 14:51:46 GMT -5
Hey, Apricot, one other thing. Since you will be set up for a video anyway, would you mind taking another short video showing what happens when you jump from a car battery. It would be helpful to put "electrical" to it's final resting place to see both how you have the jumper cables attached, and to see the response when you touch red to starter motor. Ok no problem, should i do it with the plug in and out? |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 5, 2016 9:50:59 GMT -5
Aw, shoot. I was going to offer to send my puller to you - you can use it and return it when done. Probably not less expensive, considering postage 2 ways, but a lot faster than getting stuff from china. PM me if you want to do this. If you can take pix - get one of the flywheel showing the timing mark and one from the side with the valve cover off showing the valve timing gear. Sorry - I was totally convinced the problem was just a bad electrical issue, and now I'm pretty uncertain about where to go w/o tearing into stuff. It's alright I appreciate the offer but it's best if I own one anyway, $10 shipped from amazon.not a bad deal Anyway so while I'm waiting for the puller I will get pictures of the timing (will be at the shop tomorrow ) Is there anything else I can do/check in the meantime? |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 5, 2016 8:48:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I got all excited when you said the belt was high/low - then realized unless the rear gears were frozen this would do nothing to the engine. Either way, I suggested he remove the belt a while back just because it's so easy to do - and eliminates any possibility like you were suggesting. If, then, then engine spun freely the proof of a CVT issue would be 100% We need Murky to respond a little more timely, also. Waited all weekend just to see if touching a jumper to the starter would solve the problem - a 5 minute check. We can get this narrowed down ... but quicker response is really needed. Sorry guys I work over the weekend and with it being new years I put in over 60 hours in 4 days Anyway, without the belt I'm still getting the same thing while trying to start it I will also get a pic of the timing marks and Freewheel so we can either rule that out or i can fix it Also I ordered a Freewheel puller so hopefully it will be here soon (Chinese mail is unpredictable) |
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Post by murkyapricot on Jan 3, 2016 20:54:52 GMT -5
Alright so hooked car battery to starter, no change spins, stops. Spins stops
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Post by murkyapricot on Dec 30, 2015 21:02:15 GMT -5
Alright so I just put in the new starter, its trying harder but it spins, catches a tough point and spins again
And it's getting fuel there's a bit in the line before the carb now
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Post by murkyapricot on Dec 29, 2015 16:28:36 GMT -5
Do they have a Ticket Clinic or something of that degree up there (it's like a cheap firm that goes to court for you and usually gets things dismissed)
I tried to fight a ticket myself for speeding in a school zone on a scooter when i was clocked and ticketed outside the school zone. I have a completely clean driving record.
I brought a map labeled with numbers and pictures for each number.
The judge thanked me got being well prepared, then I lost the case because the cop lied. No lesser charge, lesser ticket, nothing. 2 court appearances just to lose.
Moral of the story, I realized no matter how prepared I was I don't know the law well enough and these cops (motor cycle jerk cops) were well versed in court.
$300 ticket, would have been worth paying the $60 to ticket clinic to try to get it dropped.
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Post by murkyapricot on Dec 28, 2015 16:30:56 GMT -5
Very good advice rcq , the only issue I have is that I still believe it could be the starter clutch . not that it def is , but it is still possible. I say this because like I stated earlier . with mine , I had only so many rollers making contact when trying to spin the crank . I had slippage and then seizure do the power of the starter being lost at slippage . if the plug is removed , there is now less resistance and the crank may now turn with out the clutch slipping. So its still not 100% clear . he only thing he can do is to either tear the side case of and inspect the starter clutch , or he can buy a new starter and see if that works first . I've tore mine apart so many times , so I'd inspect the starter clutch since I can do it and have it back together in 30 mins . but in his case , I'd prob buy a new starter since they are cheap and see if that solves the issue. Yea hopefuly its the starter, Ill have one on by the 30th For the starter clutch im going to need to remove the Freewheel correct? |
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Post by murkyapricot on Dec 28, 2015 11:59:29 GMT -5
Just a note to avoid confusion. When you reach into the opening for the starter motor and wiggle the gear - YOU ARE NOT EVEN TOUCHING THE STARTER CLUTCH. What you are feeling is the idle gear, which in turn mates with the teeth of the starter clutch. So, what you are wiggling is simply the idle gear, not the starter clutch. So, to be clear: the teeth on the end of your starter motor turn the idle gear; the idle gear in turn mates with and turns the starter clutch. Wiggling of the idle gear has nothing at all to do with the starter clutch. in this case there shouldn't be any wiggling at all, but you might get shaft endplay. IOW, you might be able to push the gear back and forth, but not wiggle the gear on the shaft. only the OP knows what he means by "wiggle". in this case, shaft endplay is normal, wiggling the gear on the shaft indicates worn idler gear bushings and may, or may not, be a problem. Sorry to be more clear, the gear that can be seen in the picture, firmly spins counter clockwise when facing from the same way as the picture (it spins left) But if i push on the gear i can move it a bit forward and backwards (as opposed to the gear spinning left) |
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Post by murkyapricot on Dec 27, 2015 22:49:38 GMT -5
Yep - providing the spark plug is out. Teeth look good. you should be able to grasp the variator (or fan, if the shroud is off) and easily turn the engine (proper direction only). See - w/o the plug there is no compression; the weak starter easily turns the engine since there is little resistance to turning. But with the plug in the moment the piston travels up and compresses what's in the cylinder chamber, there is a huge resistance built up. That's what stops the starter motor from being able to continue to turn the engine. But with the plug out it turns simply and easily. The odds of a "soft seize" or a grabbing starter clutch are slim since neither shows up with the plug removed. Still, no guarantees ... but step 1 should be to get a known good starter. ps: not to confuse you are this stage - get the starter motor and THEN move on - but thinking forward of what MIGHT then pop up. In thinking about why your scooter initially stopped, one possibility is it ran out of gas. Even if there is gas in the gas tank, if that gas doesn't get into the carb your engine runs out of gas and coasts to a halt, and then will not start again. There are several possible causes (including at THIS moment, with a failed starter motor and no engine turning, lack of vacuum - which is needed for gas to get to the carb). But the specific design of YOUR scooter comes into play. So ---- is your gas tank below the floor, or above the engine (asking to find out if gravity alone would be enough to get gas from the tank to the carb). It's above but i have clear lines and i can see it trickling down Also does any of this offer an explanation as to why my kick starter was jammed and unable to move. I have not used it much but the few times i did it worked fine |
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