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Post by 50scoot on Jun 5, 2013 23:07:18 GMT -5
ok, see thats what i was afraid of, but im not sure how the rings could just go bad? BECAUSE...when i first started the engine after the new bbk It did smoke, like it should when the rings are seating and it did for the first 20minutes or so and i drove it about a mile or so and it stopped smoking, i have almost 100 miles on the bbk and it hasnt smoked since, just that stupid cutting out crap. so why would it start smoking all of a sudden? maybe i got it too rich and it washed out the rings? idk? im not an idiot when it comes to engines or fuel management on fuel injection but i might be slightly when it comes to carbs,
my carb has a round plunger in the carb throat that slides up and down pulling the needle up? is this the cvk?
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Post by 50scoot on Jun 5, 2013 22:37:45 GMT -5
So ever since i switched to a 83cc bbk i've had this condition when i am barely maintaining speed, sometimes when i give it gas from a dead stop, and sometimes when im full throttle. it cuts out like someone is hitting the kill switch then comes back on like normal, when it does this it sounds almost like a hollow sound coming out of the intake...I think that is the sound of a lean misfire.
i had an 38 idle and a 92 main it it and the plug was as nice whiteish with a hint of brown but no matter what i did to the idle mixture screw it wouldnt fix the problem. I have since switched to the 40 idle and 92 main but then i have no idle speed change when i adjust the mixture screw and when i rev it it blows out blue smoke.
then i changed the idle to a 33 out of frustration and still no idle speed adjustment and blue smoke. then i changed it back to a 38 idle...so back to what it was originally and still no idle speed change and blue smoke when i give it gas. Im really peeved by this and am about to throw in the towel and say screw it. something is obviously wrong but i have no idea what it is.
when it was a 38 idle and 92 main i was only getting about 50mpg, this isnt right, right? even with the 83cc kit and stock head and cam?
also it clockwise on the mixture screw leaner and counterclockwise richer?
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Post by 50scoot on May 20, 2013 10:40:11 GMT -5
It's got a 38 idle in it currently, think it needs to be larger for an 83cc?
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Post by 50scoot on May 18, 2013 9:37:05 GMT -5
I'm havin this same problem after I installed my 83bbk. I've tried up jetting to 98-made it worse, plug was black. Down jetted to 92 better but still there, plugs perfect color. Someone told me that I should move the clip on the needle. And see what happens. Don't think it's pinging cuz u can clearly hear that, it's just like its to lean or just ran out of fuel and then got some. It's a steady rythm so to speak.
Somewhat of a hollow sound comes out of the exhaust when the power cuts out
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Post by 50scoot on May 16, 2013 17:03:00 GMT -5
Yea she broke in real nice, so must have not mattered which way they went in. Within twenty minutes there was no more oil smoke coming out . Now I got different issues though. It is doing a real weird bog then accelerate then bog then accelerate when near full throttle and right at it, should I start this in a different thread?
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Post by 50scoot on May 14, 2013 11:47:24 GMT -5
I'm using the stock head. Did the bbk mainly for the torque aspect
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Post by 50scoot on May 14, 2013 0:36:22 GMT -5
Oh and I'm running a 38 idle and a main in it to start with
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Post by 50scoot on May 14, 2013 0:33:39 GMT -5
Ok I got it installed and running. I went to turn it over at first and thought I had too high if compression because the electric start would engage the Bendix but not turn the engine unless I kick started it at te same time. Stupid thing was that my battery was fine two days before and apparently it was bad now. So I modified the battery lid to except the next size larger battery pumping out 120cca instead of the original 90cca...
So it turned on instantly and I let it idle for 20 minutes and goosed it two or three times to see if it would rev and it's seeming to do fine, it is smoking on and off some, definitely an oil smoke not a rich fuel smoke. This is normal right? As the rings seat? From what I've read about cars that's normal, and the mount of smoke varies, some times it's no smoke, other times it fain and other times its like a worn out two stroke. I've only ha it running for that 20min just idling on the stand at about 3300rpms. Shut it off to let it get cold again and I'll turn it on tomorrow and maybe take it around the block. I could tell just from revving it that it revs 110% faster! So that's good lol
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Post by 50scoot on May 12, 2013 0:59:37 GMT -5
Yea it has five rings, two skinny oil rings and one wavy oil ring and one black square cut second ring and one black with a silver edge, both edges away from the piston are beveled. I assume it's my top ring. I think I'm gonna just put it in cuz from what I've read if they both have a bevel then there is no wrong way to install them and no one seems to have seen my type of rings before lol.
And I'm not new to engines, I've got myself a 22re and 6mge that I e done quite a bit if engine work to
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Post by 50scoot on May 11, 2013 22:41:03 GMT -5
These have a double bevel on the top ring and flat on the second ring
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Post by 50scoot on May 11, 2013 19:21:35 GMT -5
What would this mark look like? I can't see any marks on either ring. They are totally plain. I cleaned the oil off them and shined a light on them and looked all over everything and I have 20/15 vision and can see them crystal clear and no marks to speak of. This is a scrappy bbk 50mm
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Post by 50scoot on May 11, 2013 11:28:49 GMT -5
Ok, do u know if there is a top side and a bottom side?
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Post by 50scoot on May 10, 2013 23:48:33 GMT -5
Ok so I'm installing the rings on the piston and I'm following the install guide and it says the silver ring is the top and the black ring is the second, we'll one top one is black with a silver lip so I think that's correct. But then none of them have any markings on them to tell which way is up or down. Does it matter, they look the same both ways? Also I was gonna gap my top Ron to .008" and the second ring to .010"
Ok so after measuring the all black ring which has the flat edges like a rectangle measures out at .008" and the ring with the silver edge to it also has a bevel to it on both sides of the ring, and it's gap measures out to .010" So it seems like it's back words
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Post by 50scoot on May 8, 2013 16:41:25 GMT -5
Ok thanks guys! Always appreciate the quick no bs answers of this forum! As opposed to some other forums... Uh hum (celicasupra.com) lol
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Post by 50scoot on May 8, 2013 12:55:09 GMT -5
Ok so I ordered a 50mm bbk from scrappy and I was wondering what the compression figures would be for it with a stock head. Is it acceptable or too high? I am looking to gain more low end torque not top speed
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