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Post by surfpick on Aug 12, 2015 12:26:02 GMT -5
Both the schematic provided by scooter & the one below from someone elsewhere show my part as #38 Part #38 on the exploded diagram is the starter relay.  Well, I looked at a couple of places selling this part and scrolled beneath the diagram to check the list of prices. I then remembered that bikebandit sponsors forums and I've bought from them before so I went to their site. I saw what looked like the same diagram as everywhere else and scrolled down to #38 in the price list. Prices for this part were varying wildly & I was happy to see $30.74 I checked the name of part #38 on the bikebandit site and it is listed as "Relay Assembly" Well, it turns out the schematic is identical except that I didn't notice that bikebandit has changed the number of the part to #17, not #38 I accessed the return link on bikebandit and had to wait for contact. They just contacted me to tell me that they don't take returns on ANY oem parts. Here is the bikebandit schematic with the different labeling than elsewhere: www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2008-yamaha-morphous-cp250x/o/m144929#sch588976 |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 20:13:34 GMT -5
As much as I love it, I'm really wishing I got a simpler to work on motorcycle right now. Yeah but the Morphous is one SWEET looking bike!  Yah, she's a beauty, even after assembly by me. I do have over a dozen bolts & screws left over. Whoops. I'll be more careful after tearing it down to install the new relay. The engineering on Yamaha drive trains, bearings, etc is top notch but you can tell that the Morphous body was designed by an artist, not an engineer. Sometimes you have to suffer for great art. You can email me a shipping address through the site. Sorry, nothing flexible but maybe it will work for certain of your songs/styles? |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 12:53:42 GMT -5
I cut the wire off an old power strip and put some connectors on it. I attached it to the relay so I can use it as a remote starter until the new relay arrives.  I think I can get it reassembled half-assed enough to drive it to work but I'm worried about getting it all back together properly & snugly. Whew! Thanks much cyborg, tvnacman & scooter, for your help. I'll send you a Surfpick, if you'd like one? |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 10:52:10 GMT -5
I tried again with the screwdriver and the scooter started! Seems that it is going to take a while to get the part. I'm wondering if I can attach some wires to the terminals which I can still reach when the scooter is back together & hot wire it for now to get to work until the part arrives? I sure can't drive the thing like this: ykids.com/pics/scootermess.jpg |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 8:45:09 GMT -5
OK, I removed both side panels and part of the dashboard and I finally got the nose loosened. I am unable to remove it because the instrument cluster is loosely attached but I can move it enough to get at the relay. Here it is:  I don't see any place to "jump" a screwdriver across that unit? Should I just order that $80 relay assembly & swap it out? OK, I just pulled back the rubber covers on the two big leads on that relay. You can't really see them in the pic, they are on the inboard side of the relay. I turned on the key, held the brake and touched a screwdriver to the two posts but I only get sparks? |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 7:30:51 GMT -5
tvnacman, I can't get at the relay. It is buried behind a bulkhead and I can't get the nose piece off. I don't know how to "check for power" anyway, even if I can get at something. Do I do this with the multimeter? How? What settings? I'm not even sure I plugged the leads into the correct places on the multimeter. There are 2 leads & 3 holes.  |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 5, 2015 7:27:07 GMT -5
OK, I can barely see down behind that bulkhead but there is something in there with a very thick wire attached, so that must be the relay.
I've been trying to remove the nose piece to get at it but I'm getting nowhere. The manual shows how to remove the other panels but doesn't show that whole nose piece being removed. I removed the floorboards and side piece but I'm now afraid I won't get it back together. There is a piece down in there that is sliding around. Hard to explain but it hasn't helped remove the nose piece anyway.
There is no way to get to the relay without removing the nose & I can't figure it out. I can't believe how hard it is to get to anything on this scooter. As much as I love it, I'm really wishing I got a simpler to work on motorcycle right now.
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 21:39:11 GMT -5
Not quite sure how to do that, or even how to get at any connection points. Everything is buried and shielded.
Scooter, the diagram doesn't seem to match up with what I've got in that battery area.
I checked the diagram for the 2008 but it's the same as the 2006.
I don't know if it's actually different or if I just can't recognize & translate what I see?
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 20:59:01 GMT -5
Aha. This feels like progress! Thank you for that. I'm looking at the location but it seems to look different? The fuse box blocks the view of it in this pic  In this "rear" view, you can see the bundle of wires going into whatever is in that position.  Beyond removing panels, It looks like I'm going to have to remove the front end to access that area. I took one bolt out with a flashlight but I had better wait for daylight or I'm gonna lose stuff or mess something up. tvnacman, the battery is reading 12.64 volts |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 18:30:11 GMT -5
The clicking seemed to be coming from under the battery.
I removed the battery. I removed the bolts holding the battery box but it won't budge.
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 17:54:27 GMT -5
I found the starter relay in the manual but I can't find it on the scooter.  |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 17:29:55 GMT -5
Ya, I've seen mention of a starter relay, I think?
I'll go see if I can find it. Thanks.
I found the fuse box & figured out how to get it open & checked the ignition fuse but it is fine.
I used a loan shark to buy this scooter so I would have a reliable means of getting to work.
I don't know how long I can miss work without being replaced?
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Post by surfpick on Aug 4, 2015 8:04:08 GMT -5
I cleaned and tightened the cables with no effect. Here are pics of the battery & engine: ykids.comI found the starter motor but can't really see anyplace to stick a screwdriver. I searched the Morphous service manual & there is no mention of a solenoid. |
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Post by surfpick on Aug 3, 2015 20:07:07 GMT -5
Thank you. I hooked up a charger but the battery would not draw any volts at all.
I'm gonna also remove the cables & clean them.
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Post by surfpick on Aug 3, 2015 17:05:06 GMT -5
I hooked up a charger & it draws almost nothing & the lights & panel light up brightly.
I remember doing that solenoid trick on an old car & truck.
I'll try to locate the solenoid.
This has fuel injection & some kind of CDI module, does it still have a solenoid?
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