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Post by rockynv on Apr 7, 2016 5:19:12 GMT -5
There were a number of different brands out there along with the use of bb's and buckshot. Tyra, Equal, Dynabeads, Counteract and a number of Chinese KnockOffs. Some were saucer shaped too.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 5, 2016 23:02:26 GMT -5
Lets see - He wants an open prop and a parasail with dozens of cords to get tangled in it.
The Danish government has been considering the gas versions of this for a few years now and has still not allowed it so it maybe limited to just the Canary Isles and such.
I'll stay on the ground for now. A fall from 25 feet onto concrete was enough of a life changing event so I won't escalate that to hundreds.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 5, 2016 12:01:46 GMT -5
I have had the Power Pure on my Aprilia for several months now and yes they are pretty good although they do not balance up as well as the Pirelli but better than the Slovenian Goodyear/Sava. Local dealer sells them installed for about what they charge on the internet for a 120/70-15. Watch out as they are available in bias and radial and you do not want to mix them together on the same bike. The tread pattern is less likely to feather during heavy braking making them less prone to developing head shake.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 5, 2016 4:50:13 GMT -5
Is there any sign of the back of the belt rubbing against the case? If the belt is too long it can be riding too far out on the sheaves and rubbing or slipping. The belt could have been sitting too long and be too old. Did the belt feel somewhat moist when you installed it or dry and hard?
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Post by rockynv on Apr 4, 2016 23:20:29 GMT -5
1000 to 1500 for a 150 is the norm depending on your tune. Is it creeping right now? Whats it reading at 50 mph?
I do not believe the average 150 has anything reading the cam to tell when its on the compression stroke nor has any feedback from the coil to gather that information so it should spark at every rev since it does not have a cam driven distributor or a magnetic pickup on the end of the camshaft or any other means to tell the difference between a compression stroke or exhaust stroke. If you take the plug out and crank the engine with the base of the spark plug grounded against the block with the high tension lead connected you should see whether it sparks on every revolution or not.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 4, 2016 23:04:44 GMT -5
I can appreciate your passion for the endeavor however where I live the only 50cc that would safely deal with the area traffic in its stock configuration was the Aprilia/Derby DiTech. Not an antique yet but a very nice foundation being capable of 50+ mph from the factory. Capable of 65 mph with some minor tuning, After being on a + mph 250 I would be hard pressed to step back to a 50 but if I did it would probably be one of the Aprilia DiTech bike. The Aprilia RS50 is a great example of what a well sorted 50 can do in a small sport bike:
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Post by rockynv on Apr 3, 2016 22:43:42 GMT -5
Be mindful that its just a thing. Don't really need to remember much specific to it since its a fairly simple two stroke. If its been sitting indoors unused for so long and has no appreciable wear I don't really understand replacing the piston and such since only the fuel lines and high tension wires really needed attention along with a carb bowl gasket with a float valve seat. Mostly should have just needed cleaning up and replacing of the rubber/leather parts.
Now if you were talking 1950's 35 to 50 hp automatic compression release two stroke outboard boat motors that is a whole nother matter. Dealing with the floating trigger coils, daisy read plates and automatic compression release mechanisms can be very challenging especially when they have been sitting unused for over 40 years after being exposed to salt water. Getting those twins with their big iron wedge pistons running can be frustrating but satisfying. A big Twin Evenrude or Johnson from the 50's has a certain music to it when its running right.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 3, 2016 8:19:17 GMT -5
I have found that getting a matched set Coil and CDI usually works best. That way the vendor is responsible if part of the system is defective or the components are not really compatible.
Racing coil is either defective or not compatible with your CDI.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 3, 2016 7:26:27 GMT -5
The more upright tank will probable let you run it closer to empty but we are only talking about 102 ounces total fuel and using the last 12 ounces at this point or less than 10 miles difference.
The bottle needs to be rated for gasoline. Water bottles especially if they are environmentally friendly can turn to putty if used for gasoline.
You are going through the same frustration that I had with the Lance/Znen 150. At around 30 mph with little stop and go I could get as much as 64 mpg after I put in the Hoca variator and really tuned the CVT after pristinely cleaning up the fuel system and setting the valves to perfection however the norm at 45+ mph was 50 mpg.
When I looked at my fuel logs I found with the floor board tank I actually had a whopping 1.3 gallon so I had that backwards (senior citizen trying to remember specs from 5 years ago) and even that is unacceptable if you ride daily to commute. Yes I was always fearful of running out of gas at 1.3 gallons while at 0.8 I would have been paranoid. The trade off with the floorboard tank is that you need a fuel pump which can lean out at high speeds.
After running the Lance 150 from September 2010 to April 2011 at I walked into an Aprilia dealer on a lark and found the Sport City 250 with a 2.4 gallon tank that got better fuel economy than the Lance and was interstate capable. The better fuel economy and lower monthly cost to keep it on the road actually made up for the payments. The running joke was that with the Lance it would have been less work to just get a part time job to pay for the gas to drive my van to work every day. In the past 30,000 miles it has cost less to keep the Aprilia running than it did to own the Lance from 3,744.0 miles on the odometer when I bought it to 6,746.8 miles when I traded it in. With the Lance it was a constant bleeding of cracked heads (multiple), cracked mufflers (multiple), failed ignition pickup, bad belts, fuel pump impacted by ethanol so it couldn't keep up, monthly oil changes, failed mirror mounts, fender mounts failing, starter electronics failing, CDI failures, clutch failures, gearbox failures, worn out variator, etc. At 30,000 miles I still do not need any engine work and the variator along with the clutch are still almost like new. The only problem I have had was the last belt which I purchased from a local Vespa dealer was old stock and failed after 2,000 miles so I have to clean that up and I am now resolved to purchase belts only from a large high volume dealer and not a small local shop that lets belts sit for years hanging on hooks expose to sunlight.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 3, 2016 7:13:14 GMT -5
I have not been deeply involved with two strokes for some years so I am behind on the new plastic reed valves however it is surprising that with only 890 miles there would be so many issues. The bike should just be broken in and should have only required a good cleaning of the fuel system and some polishing of the reed and plate.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 2, 2016 8:18:24 GMT -5
rocky, that sounds like a lot of work for a bigger tank, so nebber mind, lain. Plus like you posted, you *should* be getting better mileage. Even I do, with nothing but go'n'stop'n'stop'n'go'n'morestop riding. Maybe tortoise' post will help. >'Kat Yes the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes can get better mileage than the GY6 150 especially at speeds over 40 mph. The GY6 150 cc is at its peak mpg at between 30 to 35 mph while the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes are at their peak mpg at 40 to 55 mph. I get much better fuel economy overall on my 250 than I did on my Lance/Znen 150 GY6 since most roads where I ride have 40 to 60 mph speed limits. Where I ride, a GY6 150 would be past its max speed for peak efficiency while the 200 to 300 cc bikes are in their peak efficiency zone at those speeds. With a 0.8 gallon tank you have around 102 ounces of gas which at 50 mpg gives you 0.39 miles per ounce or gets you 10 miles for every 26 ounces of gas. You will consume about ninety ounces of gas at 35 miles leaving around 12 ounces (1 1/2 cups) in the tank which will look almost bone dry in the oblong flat tank under the floorboards. You will be out of gas when you hit 40 miles. Even if you can increase fuel economy to 60 mpg you will need to stop for gas before you hit 43 miles since you will only gain about 8 miles per 0.8 gallon tank of fuel.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 1, 2016 11:54:40 GMT -5
Hmm... not entirely convinced this is the supposed milage... I went to work and back, a total of 23 miles... Before going to work I had a completely full tank, arriving home from work I can see the bottom of the tank... Even for 0.8g tank that seems way too low to me, that would be what about maybe 30MPG? That's horrible for a scooter... It is completely stock, there are no leaks, so I am confused here, pretty sure these things are supposed to get like 60mpg+ stock. Yes 60 mpg at below 40 mph. Over 40 mph it drops and at a steady 55+ can drop to 45 mpg.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 31, 2016 12:32:20 GMT -5
Can he replace the tiny tank with a larger one for more range? >'Kat Only if you change to the tank under the seat which usually involves also relocating the battery and such.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 31, 2016 0:02:32 GMT -5
The plug was a perfect light mocha color, everything seems to be working great. My rides consist of a mix of both stop and go and open road, I drive about 35-40 on city roads and about 50-60 on fast roads, about half of both to get to work and back, everything else is pretty much city/town roads going 30-40. Half the time I carry a passenger, doesn't seem to change the mileage noticeably from when I'm riding alone. Still, I ride a lot, and rolling up to the gas station telling the attendant that I want about a half gallon or less and seeing them roll their eyes is getting annoying. Also I plan to be going for long rides across states over the summer on this thing since it's actually really comfortable and enjoyable to ride, so having better mileage or maybe an aux tank idk... something to make me not get my arse stranded somewhere pushing this heavy scoot lol Same issue I was having. The Lance Vintage had a nice double saddle that was great for - guess what - riding double but only had a single shock making for far less than 300 lbs carrying capacity. Then stopping to top off the tank because you had to ride 30 miles but had less than a full tank and ending up putting in only 0.25 gallons was a bit frustrating since you knew that if you paid at the pump that the station was paying more in credit card fees than you were paying for the gasoline. The crazy thing to me is that in the type of riding you are doing a 250cc scooter will generally get better fuel economy and usually comes with a 2.25 to 3 gallon tank for a range of 150 to 225 miles per tank. Going out for a ride in the country could get very interesting on the Lance Vintage. You ended up stopping for gas every time you saw a gas station and finally just set your route by gps in 30 mile hops from gas station to gas station. I even tried a brown gas unit to extend the range however the electrical draw from separating the hydrogen from the water (yes the first one blew up quite dramatically) negated the fuel savings effect although it did make the bike a bit more peppy and made it less likely to lean out at high speed. Much cleaner burning also.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 30, 2016 12:15:06 GMT -5
A 150 at 45 to 50 mph is only going to get about 50 mpg. 50 mpg times .8 gal = 40 miles to bone dry.
That was one of the most frustrating things about the Lance 150 I had with the tiny gas tank under the floor boards which made it so I had to fill up 3 times a week.
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