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Post by JR on Jun 21, 2013 7:13:38 GMT -5
First of all what was the reason to want to put in a 11 pole stator? Wanting higher wattage headlight bulbs? Also what scooter is this? I've only seen the 12 pole stator on the GY-6B engine and a few non-Chinese scooters.
Also you will lose charging wattage by going from 12 to 11 poles and your wiring on the stator in the picture indicates a three phase charging system with a AC type CDI.
Lastly it's unlikely you will find a 11 pole stator that will bolt up, the bolt patterns on a 12 pole stator are nearly always different than most plus the OD of the stator itself.
Let me know what scooter you have and I can more than like tell you if it is a DC system.
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 20, 2013 22:39:56 GMT -5
Since you said this scooter has set for 5 years the first thing that needs to be checked is electrical connections from the kill switch to the battery. Just a poor ground will cause no spark. Check the battery negative cable to the frame, make sure it is free of paint and rust. One of the wires going to that coil is a ground also. The other wire usually black/yellow will go from your coil to the CDI. make sure all connections are clean and also the ground (usually a green wire) is making good connection.
You also need to put a battery on it so you won't cause the R/R to load up and eventually burn out.
The kill switch function is a grounding out the CDI and the black/white wire to the CDI goes to the kill switch. If you have unhooked it then that's not an issue but if the black/white wire going to the CDI is worn and has a bare wire grounding out then a no spark situation will occur.
As far as your reading coils are all over the place to try to test and your reading of 4 ohms on the primary side does indicate it is good but you need to test the secondary side and here is a video showing how:
Now that is also another thing to check and it's the spark plug cap or boot that goes on the spark plug. They can get loose and/or corrode, take it apart and check it out.
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 17, 2013 22:15:22 GMT -5
Well folks after a long old drive we made it home safe and sound. After meeting Doug on Saturday morning in Palmsdale we left out for Arkansas. Made it to Gallup N.M. Spent the night (what was left of it) got up and ate a good breakfast and then put it in the wind to Arkansas. Pulled in at 1:00 a.m. this morning. Disneyland was interesting but IMO over rated. The first day was long and hot and what makes it so frustrating is the extremely long lines. One hour wait is the norm to ride anything. Food and drinks especially high compared to what I'm used to but I expected that. Second day was very pleasant as it rained a little the night before and it was cloudy and cool. All the kids had a blast and for me that's what it's all about. The are where my son in law is stationed is nothing but desert and the highest temp I saw was 114F but it does get hotter. Nothing like what I'm used to and even Doug told me I wasn't in the prettiest section of California and from my past trips I knew that real quick. As I mentioned Doug and I met Saturday at the Pizza Hut in Palmdale and got to visit for a spell. I really enjoyed the visit and wish we would have had more time.  Hopefully one day when he comes to see his parents in north central Texas he'll have the time to head up my way and I can show him around and we'll have a longer visit. I do have pictures and when I can get the other camera away from the Mrs. I'll post some of our trip. Great trip but glad to be home. JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 14, 2013 10:12:39 GMT -5
While I could put a code in to disable signatures, unless someone puts in something that is against forum and Proboard's terms of service (TOS) or rules I will not.
While I understand some people may not like GIF's they are not against the rules, when it comes down to it all of out smilies are GIF's also which I put in to replace the default ones which I considered dull and boring.
Also disabling signatures just because of GIF's would take away the ability of people who simply want to put in information in their signature about their scooter which IMO certainly wouldn't be fair.
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 13, 2013 18:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Jun 11, 2013 23:07:11 GMT -5
WEll it doesn't take long to learn 3 things about Disneyland. One you need to like crowds BIG CROWDS! Two you need to like long lines waiting on the rides as in 1 hour or more Three you need to like walking to go with the long waiting lines. You can add hot weather although temps were cooler today from what I've been told and high prices. A set of the mini mouse ears for girls is $23.  + tax. Tomorrow we'll go to the other half of the park and going to start early hoping for less people. JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 10, 2013 12:32:22 GMT -5
Good morning everyone. I haven't been on much lately for several reasons, one been doing a lot on the new V5 set up, two lots of work around the house and three I have been getting ready for my families trip to Disney. We left to go to my daughter's place in Twenty Nine Palms Ca. early Saturday morning. This is a Marine base we went to because her husband is in the Marines stationed there. We spent the night in Albuquerque N.M. at the Parks Inn with a big pool and water park that my wife, step son and grand kids really enjoyed. We arrived late yesterday around 5:30 in Twenty Nine Palms. Man is it hot here! As I traveled my temp gauge in the Traverse registered 114F for a long spell. When we arrived it had cooled to 104F. We're resting today and enjoying the company of my daughter and son in law and early in the morning we are going to Disneyland for two days. Going to see Mickey Mouse! ;D We're not leaving until this coming Sunday and this Saturday Doug and I are going to meet up and visit for the first time in person, really look forward to that. Next year I get to pick the vacation spot and I'm thinking COLD! Maybe Wisconsin, Maine, even Alaska! Will get a picture or two of Doug and I so hope we don't bust the camera!  JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 7, 2013 12:27:13 GMT -5
Got you all in guys including hondamatic. Thanks!
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 5, 2013 16:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Jun 5, 2013 16:45:54 GMT -5
Hank it does also depend on what browser your on. IE10 hates it and the bottom line is it shouldn't do it on any browser.
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 5, 2013 14:17:11 GMT -5
When you run a search for Scootdawg.net on Bing, google and Yahoo this is the message you still get as of 5 minutes ago.
Careful!
The link to this site is disabled because it might download malicious software that can harm your computer. Learn More
We suggest you choose another result, but if you want to risk it, visit the website.
Now the quickest way for people who are searching for anything scooter related when they are indeed running a search for help to stay way is for a message like this to come up before they even go to the site itself not to mention what advertisers think about it?
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 4, 2013 21:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Jun 3, 2013 23:32:20 GMT -5
Hi JR, I am not questioning you at all. I agree with you.  I appreciate your feedback and help. I already did the battery test and the engine keeps on running while disconnecting the battery. The problem I have now is I do have an NCY performance AC CDI as well as an AC CDI from a newer 2012 Peace scooter 50cc TPGS-811. Mine is a 2009 MC-17 50cc. The AC CDIs from NCY and from the Peace scooter does not start the engine. Only my original CDI starts the engine. The only reasons I mentioned the DC is because Jeremy at Enviromoto said the NCY CDI was not defective and that I have a DC CDI. So, I went and purchased a DC CDI, against my own belief. So, unfortunately the saga does continue as I already have 2 other AC CDIs (see pic) and the engine doesn't start with them plugged in. When I switch back to the original CDI after trying the 2 other AC CDIs, the original CDI fires the engine right up on the 2nd turnover. Again I see no saga? The "other" CDI's either: are wrong voltage bad and no good to start with (very common to happen) Pin configuration is not plug and play with scooter OEM system are for a different engine 2T Vs 4T By your picture and your test WE KNOW for sure what your CDI is so if you insist on having a performance CDI then use the diagram of the common CDI that I put a image of with the two grounding points and tell the seller what you have. Make them assure you they have a plug and play CDI or can tell you what color the wires on their CDI go to so you can make sure it's a match. JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 3, 2013 23:23:22 GMT -5
not neccesarily, I bought a new jonway YY50QT30,It was restricted to 35 MPH. and has an AC cdi. I bought an unrestricted cdi, installed it, and nothing, I put in the cdi from my baja sc50, and nothing, AS you said, A bad cdi. so I tried another new one. Meantime, I traced all the wires, and found that one wire from the TWO wire plug went to a sensor on the clutch (the restrictor) I disconnected it and it works great. However it will not work with an aftermarket cdi. Makes no sense. I have no idea what jonway did there. All proves my point, the theory of how many wires on each plug tells you what>>>>>>>> it is? The sensor more than likely went to the AC feed loop. The CDI controls when the spark plug fires. A restricted CDI simply stops firing once a pre-set engine rpm is reached. Without spark, the engine slows to below the "rev limit" and the CDI resumes providing current. An unrestricted CDI does not stop providing current no matter how high the engine rpms go. You are only limited by the engine itself. On some scooters there is a sensor fitted to the variator cover that detects the rpm of the engine. Once the revs reach a certain limit, the CDI unit cuts down the spark, reducing power. Sometimes rather than buying a new CDI, cut the wires from this sensor and see if it does the trick, if not then bypass the sensor and go directly from the stator to the CDI. Also the reason the DC CDI is larger is because it contains a DC to AC transformer. Also the Jonway YY50QT30 comes with the choice of 2 or 4 stroke, which is yours? BTW in case any don't know YOU CAN NOT use a 2-stroke CDI on a 4-stroke engine, reason is the timing is different. The Baja sc50 is a 4-stroke. www.bajamotorsports.com/system/documents/63_OWNERS_MANUAL_-_SC50_-_Sun_City_50cc_Scooter_Owners_Manual_VIN_prefix_LAWA_.pdfAlso it's common for suppliers to tell you their performance CDI is plug and play and will work on all Scooters, all a bunch of hogwash. Here is the 5-pin AC type CDI with a totally different plug set up:  Common 6-pin AC type CDI:  Take note of the two grounds I mentioned. Again one has to see what they have by checking it and then there is no doubt. JR |
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Post by JR on Jun 3, 2013 16:09:34 GMT -5
I'll help you end this quest, again this is a AC type CDI plain and simple. The two green wires are both grounds. All AC type CDI's have two ground points. In your diagram above you see a vacant pin on the 4-plug of the CDI. it is an accessory ground. Some scooters run the ground from this pin to the coil, some simply ground the CDI twice. A CDI comes this way because it actually has two separate functions.
If you want to check the ground pins with the two green wires unplug one and then ohm the vacant pin to ground and vice versa. The NCY CDI is either DC or no good simple as that no wiring mystery or question as to what your stock CDI is and what works on this scooter.
This CDI isn't restricted and it's a common type CDI and will work on any 6 or 8 pole stator engine with the AC feed even a 150cc. If you want a performance CDI then order a AC type. You can disconnect the second green wire and it'll not make any difference at all however if you plug it into a DC type CDI you're grounding out the CDI and also the red/black wire is AC and the DC type CDI will not recieve the proper amount or kind of voltage.
All this about how many wires to each plug designates what kind it is all overblown and in many cases not correct, just an educated guess. Want to quit guessing do the tests I mentioned, a volt meter will not steer you wrong.
On the one wire on one plug making it DC? I can show you 4 different scooters that have a DC type CDI with two wires on the two plug. Reason? The second wire is a engine kill wire just like on the AC type CDI. Why would that be? Because they wanted you to be able to kill the engine by two means, one by cutting the DC power when turning the key off and two by the emergency kill switch on the handle bars.
My 250B is a DC type CDI and has 5 wires just like a AC type CDI. Also you will never have a DC type CDI on a single phase stator and again the only 3-phase stator I know out there is a Malaguti 50cc. Your scooter is a single phase stator and the wire colors going to the R/R from the stator will be
White
Yellow
Green
and the R/R will have one more wire that goes to the battery = Red.
The other two wires from the Stator are single bullet connector wires and the color varies but typically they are
Blue/white or blue/yellow = pulse signal wire to CDI
Red/black = AC feed to CDI.
It's as simple as that guys.
JR
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+ tax. 
