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Post by JR on Jul 17, 2013 0:11:14 GMT -5
It's not about the animation gifs, they're cool. But it's about the meaning of the symbols, that is pretty much standardized. Any mail server (yahoo, gmail, hotmail, AOL), facebook, any instant messenger like AIM, Skype, Trillian, Pidginm Digsbyand, the former MSN Messenger , and almost any chatroom online, would use a standarized form of icons, meaning ; ) is a wink, not a 'hi' icon. : D is a smilie not a Thumbs up (which is (y) in most cases). Although there is no icon standard in a sense that the images are the same, the conversion of text based smilies to graphic icons is always the same, meaning a ; ) text based smilie should mean, and match a winky icon. That's what I'm trying to say... Not the same: :- ) : ) : o ) : ] : 3 :c ) :> = ] 8 ) = ) : } :^ ) all = happy face ;- ) ; ) *- ) * ) ;- ] ; ] ; D ;^ ) :- , all = wink or smirk. Different forums, sites, etc. use different icons. But again as I stated to change the default smiles I had to change the text codes. If one wants to use more than one happy face smiley then you use a different text code among the many available. When you put your curser over the second smiley here in the regular reply section it comes up as "wink" yet it is the smiley waving it's hand. I cannot change that in the Proboards forum code, it is not allowed by them and I don't have access to their layout, however I can change the image that is associated with "wink" to whatever I want but not the text code associated with "wink." I could find and put a "wink" gif in that slot but at this point since we will soon go to the new V5 software I'm not going to spend the time to change them. I've spent hours/days working on this and with the new software I'll have more options including matching the text code better. Members will also have a new personal smiley section available to them which will allow you to store 25 of your own favorite smilies and it will be done on a basis of you linking to a url and not associated with text code. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 16, 2013 21:36:42 GMT -5
First of all the computer icon codes are not standardized and are basically divided into two groups Western and Eastern; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticonsThen there are different ones for lots of groups, MSN, Yahoo, and yes Facebook. See how many different ones are listed alone for just a smiley or happy face in the first line of codes? Secondly since you are not aware of how Proboards does there layout in the forum script and/or codes you would not be aware of what I had to do to change the standard default smiley icons here to make them work. Long story short I had to cheat to simply put in the extra icons in the quick reply section and the standard reply section along with the extra smiley section that I added. In the default mode Proboards uses the western style of icons but to change them to the moving GIF's that I thought would be more favorable and fun I had to change the coding in the default section add extra javascript codes and then link them to a image host which I use photobucket and picture push. Doug and I have a godaddy hosting server and I'm looking at seeing if I can host my images there because it's something already paid for. Facebook has bought Photobucket and Tinypic and they give you a mere 2g of so called free upload space, then the rug gets pulled out from under you and you have to pay then monthly/yearly fees to keep your images on or they disappear. I hate Facebook and anything associated with them. So now you know why the icon symbols/codes are different, besides you don't have to type them, just click on the image and they will automatically insert no matter what the code is and that's all that should matter. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 15, 2013 21:56:12 GMT -5
First of all I moved this thread to the proper section and I've been gone on vacation some with my family. When I came in today I read all of this and have given it quite some thought before posting. I really don't understand this part of the thread?
Jul 11, 2013, 8:13pm, carasdad wrote:
15 reads on this post...and not one thank you?.. Wow so many Introverts in this world.. This site has gone to ...if you are not female or part of the 'In Crowd'....find another site to peruse...cause you are nobody here...unless you meet that criteria. Got my own web site now...so best wishes to all you 'In the click' folks...we have manners and appreciation over there.(Chippewa) Hyatena nonoko chala bena yiyadoka sesa iloka geloneekie apoktason. We help new members..we do not condemn them...and we show appreciation for help. The Moderators here display favoritism...we do not. Oh I will be banned for my honesty...just watch. Nanayanami sosasoto dena jejeamika dondii atook.. <-- In life the honest man loses his privileges..to those that do not follow the heard of sheep.
We help new members..we do not condemn them...and we show appreciation for help.
I will tell you this story:
To some who are confident of their own righteousness and look down on
everybody else, I remember this parable:
“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed
about himself: I am so thankful that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers,
adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of
all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to
heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘ Have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified.
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles
himself will be exalted.”
In life the honest man loses his privileges
Had you been honest you would have never made this statement about people you know so little about?
The Moderators here display favoritism
we have manners and appreciation
If it is like these that you displayed here then count me out.........honestly.
JR
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Post by JR on Jul 9, 2013 6:36:40 GMT -5
If you were a member before I created it no, but if you joined here after I created it yes you will have to create a new account there. But once we convert this forum to V5 you will not create a new account.
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Post by JR on Jul 8, 2013 22:00:01 GMT -5
I believe you are referring to the new one login system PB has created to use with the new V5 software format they just launched a few weeks ago. We are currently still on the old V$ format and that system doesn't have that type of login thus you have to individually login to V4 forums. We are currently in the opt out mode until this December and I am working on the test forum right now to set it up like we want. We will convert by this December maybe sooner if Doug and I are comfortable with doing so. I am fixing to start displaying the test forum options and start a how to thread and let people here get familiar with it before we switch. If you would like to look at the test sight here it is: betaitistheride.freemessageboards.com/board/32/general-scooter-boardYou probably will get redirected the first time you try to login. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 8, 2013 16:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by JR on Jul 8, 2013 0:10:19 GMT -5
It should be harmless but could be a problem? But it shouldn't be there at all.
JR
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Post by JR on Jul 7, 2013 23:59:56 GMT -5
I'm still working with this, so far PB can't tell me why the warning is coming up? Are any of you getting this warning?  :# |
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Post by JR on Jul 7, 2013 1:05:37 GMT -5
Currently I have it disabled, it is giving a Malicious website warning. I have sent a message to PB's.
JR
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Post by JR on Jul 6, 2013 22:37:48 GMT -5
Got you guys in! Thanks!  JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 2, 2013 23:08:33 GMT -5
Well I guess my concern is I want to make sure you know what your talking about. You have been confusing me with some of your post. You tell me that my green/white is the HORN, but yet according to MY SCOOTER as well as the HELIX diagram BOTH show the green/white is a 5 amp. and is the fuel/starter/charge... So yeah that's a bit confusing... IM NOT here for a pissing contest between you and Rich.. thought I made that a little clear in some of my beginning post.. I came here for help from some knowledgeable guys.. Whethe it's you ( who Alley told me is very good in electrics) or anyone else for that matter. IF not then I just take it somewhere. I work long hours during the week and don't have time to be taking the scooter all apart and putting it back together if I didn't need to. Which was my point.. it wasn't about avoiding it.. it was making sure that it was necessary to do. If not would do it another way.... I think at this point.. I will go back to scooter doc try from there if not take it over to the local cf moto dealer and have them look at it.. You can close this thread out...
Son several people from Doc sent you here to ask me how to fix your scooter and I've been an electrician for over 40 years and you got the nerve to say you who are confused want to make sure I know what I'm doing? Incredible! IM NOT here for a pissing contest between you and Rich.. thought I made that a little clear in some of my beginning postWhat you made clear is you have been at Doc with numerous threads about how to fix your scooter , it's still not right and what you want to call a pissing match is simply somewhere here telling you that someone else is wrong and then you run back to the same place you got the wrong information and get more. You don't seem to like the truth? I work long hours during the week and don't have time to be taking the scooter all apart and putting it back together if I didn't need to.OK so if you'll notice I have been up late in the night answering and helping you with this problem, remember I was here minding my own business and "you" asked for help, my time is just as valuable as yours and I have freely give mine and you want to tell me what I should be using and you "told" me up front what you did or didn't want? You're kidding right? You tell me that my green/white is the HORN, but yet according to MY SCOOTER as well as the HELIX diagram BOTH show the green/white is a 5 amp. and is the fuel/starter/charge... So welcome to the world of Chinese scooters, it's labeled one way and the diagram/s another and BTW the Fashion diagram does show exactly what I listed on the plug .......and three 10A fuses and one 5A fuse so who or what is right? A electrician that knows Chinese ways uses his training and knowledge to work things out when things are confusing and helping people confused like you. I was working you through a step by step process using common electrical principals and each one of my tests to confirm what wire was what was correct yet you were confused. OK confused people ask those who are not confused what to do and I was doing it in a simple way to not confuse you any more and not giving you a lesson on how to use a volt meter which I can do so you would even be confused more.  % of the people in the world that know how to and understand the way to properly use a multimeter know how to fix things like this on a scooter and find out what's wrong, it's apparent you don't know . Remember you had a working scooter one day and decided to put a battery disconnect switch in and you followed another's advice which was/is wrong and now your scooter doesn't work right, you and you alone chose to do this and now you question my advice? Add to the equation that your electrical knowledge is little to none and you can't tell one wire color from another because of a health issue and it's nearly impossible to help you, not my fault. Jump from one forum to another and hoping for the quick fix, not going to happen. I will go back to scooter doc try from there if not take it over to the local cf moto dealer and have them look at it..
You can close this thread out... That's a good idea and BTW if you notice all the tests that Rich is doing, notice how he has the scooter stripped and one could do this easily maybe one or two pieces a day even with working long hours, it's not rocket science. I don't mind helping anyone any time and have helped many but I'm not going to be lectured to in the way I help, you can take it or leave it and I'll wish you well. Also I said I wouldn't give up and I haven't you did at least here. Consider this thread closed and locked. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 2, 2013 7:09:32 GMT -5
Justguy1 it seems you don't know how to read a diagram either, the fashion diagram has all the fuses listed too "if" you know how to read the diagram? scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=250cc&action=display&thread=8106&page=7To answer your question of what diagram he uses look at one of your old threads: scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=250cc&action=display&thread=7886In his answer to you he has pointed out to you one of the fuses in a section of the "Fashion" diagram not the Helix diagram. I'm sorry that this has been so tough for you but I'll re-interate there is no fuse problem, no quick and easy fix for you on this scooter. You've either accidently broke or burnt up something when you installed the battery disconnect switch on the wrong leg of your scooter. Even if you could use the Helix diagram that part of the equation isn't going away. I know this isn't what you want to hear but I'm sorry that is the way it is and with the scooter plastics on, you are in the blind as to where the problem is, no if's and's and but's about it. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 1, 2013 20:29:16 GMT -5
No sir the Helix is a Honda scooter and your Fashion is a clone of that by CF Moto and CfMoto has a good Fashion diagram and so far it's been right on every wire, a little confusing sometimes but still the correct diagram. Here is the Fashion diagram in PDF from my library and is the exact diagram on Doc also. www.jr-richscooterdoc.com/WD_Cfmoto_Fashion_diagram.pdfI know the Helix scooter and the reason some say that it is the same is because of the engine. So if you want to confuse things further and use the Helix diagram then good luck, I know it doesn't match. Also there are 4 different wiring diagrams for the Helix Year 86 Year 86 again Year 87 to 91 Year 91 and after. All four are slightly different. Justguy1 you seem to think that you are going to just find something worn such as a fuse or such? It doesn't matter how the fuses are lined if the are good the feed current if the current is there. It all boils down to this, if you're willing to work further and trace things out you'll come upon what is wrong or what you did but if you're not willing to get stuff out of the way and do the work then you can't get to the wires, it's called welcome to the world of plastic covering up all the working components including the wiring. You seem to have a fear of taking the plastics off, wish there were another way and even if your scooter could use the Helix diagram you would still have to strip it. I'm sorry but that's the way it is?  When you decide to open it up let me know. JR |
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Post by JR on Jul 1, 2013 9:52:29 GMT -5
OK that makes sense and for sure explains the tail lights working and the headlights not. Your handle bar cluster description of the switches is typical. Like I said sometimes the Chinese diagrams is an adventure to figure out and the way they draw it indicates one can turn on the tail lights then push the switch to the position of having them both on but it doesn't matter we know which is working and this tells me another thing also. The blue/brown wire across from the red wire in the fuse box splits, one side going to the headlights and the other to the tail lights.
I would like for you to pull the fuse on the red to blue/brown and see if indeed you have no tail lights when doing so. If this is the case then it's pointing more and more to a bad or broke ground and again the reason I believe this is because the harness's almost nearly every time are split into sections with one central hook up point and that's generally the frame where the negative battery cable connects. The ground could be ok in the tail light section and be off in the front section and this is where everything is whacko. We know your ground is green and I've seen as many as 4 ground wires hooked up to the frame on a scooter. It is also common for the ground wires to be put together in the harness, go to multiple locations and the Chinese generally use cheap brass crimp connectors to put them together, very easy for a wire to come loose sometimes. Without a ground things will act crazy.
But if it isn't a grounding issue then my next thing to say it is would be the fused or melted wires of these functions some where in the harness.
I'm sure you'll get back on this when you get off work.
JR
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Post by JR on Jul 1, 2013 7:50:06 GMT -5
Good Idea and my thought also Alley. Justguy1 I'm sincerely not trying to sound rude or harsh. You have went through a lot of frustration and for sure you don't need that and for sure one has got to give you an A+ for effort here and not throwing in the towel. For any person who has this scooter or one similar to read all of this they will gain a lot of knowledge to say the least.
But at this point we have learned what is not wrong, part of the process of eliminating things that could be wrong. Your last pictures are very helpful and now the only way to go forward is to have eyes to the areas of the wiring.
And what makes any person think about some possibilities being the thing that is wrong is the fact that before you started the disconnect switch the scooter was fine, now it isn't. And if you did do something that has caused this then it was for sure by accident and it's one of the things that we are trying to find and the ground wiring is the most likely culprit simply because you were working on the ground side only when installing this switch a time back.
It's very frustrating also when one doesn't see how they could have done anything by simply working on one thing and it causing these kind of problems but it happens. I had a friend once almost go nuts himself because his tail lights weren't working after he pulled and cleaned the carb. His first statement was "I wasn't messing with any wires, just the carb!"
Come to find out after a long day of us going through this and that his culprit was a pulled ground wire in the harness plug where the back tail light section plugged in. It didn't pull all the way out of the plug but just enough to lose connection and the lights. He pulled the plug apart 3 or 4 times before he spotted this one wire, again happened while he was working on the carb.
Like I told you we won't give up if you don't sooner or later we'll find this gremlin but you got to get to the circuitry.
JR
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% of the people in the world that know how to and understand the way to properly use a multimeter know how to fix things like this on a scooter and find out what's wrong, it's apparent you don't know .