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Post by outbakjak on Apr 14, 2014 2:49:57 GMT -5
I am provided non-slip shoe covers from work, the comment above about someone using a magnet in the boot gives me an idea... I could sandwich RE/Neodymium magnets between two layers of these rubber shoe covers. Just a thought, but I think I'll just run the lights when there aren't any cars around to trigger them..  |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 13, 2014 23:03:03 GMT -5
The Winter Garden salvage yard, A.K.A. Budget U-Pull It, started carrying scooters about a week ago. They are hoping to stock common motorcycles soon as well. Today I made a pretty darn good haul, a complete GY6 with good compression, carburetor, stator and flywheel for $35, kick starter in tact as well. (Doing a bench test on that tomorrow) Also, the rear shock, wheel and tire (in good shape for used) for $10, and a set of rear view mirrors for $5. $50 in total.  There were 19 scooters there, they JUST started this so I'm sure the collection will grow. Also, EVERY one of them still had the engine attached. A Verucci, a chinese Vespa knock off (though not a GY6, didn't recognize the engine), three 2-strokes and two or three 150cc scoots there as well. One had speakers in the leg space, I wish I could have taken but I know they wouldn't fit in my scoot, lol. FLAT RATE: $35 for ANY engine, which includes the carb, flywheel, stator. $10 for a wheel/tire $5 for accessories. Now I don't know if there's like, anyone on this forum in the Central FL area but if so, definitely check it out! In fact, if you live too far a way to come for a browse, I'm willing to take pictures for you next time I'm there, just let me know.  -Outbak |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 13, 2014 22:46:22 GMT -5
On another note, my trip to the new scooter/motorcycle section of our local salvage yard was a total success, I got me a pretty good replacement GY6, the whole engine for $35!!! Came of course, with the stator and flywheel, and CDI. The engine was complete and has good compression. Another $10 for the rear wheel and tire (which was in decent shape) and shock, $5 for a new set of rear view mirrors, total in all, $50 spent. Not a bad haul, eh? |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 13, 2014 21:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 13, 2014 1:46:38 GMT -5
So I've been scouring google and youtube, and even these forums to try to find any advice in removing/replacing a crank. I've found three videos, all of which show someone using a special tool to remove this "reverse thread castle nut." I'm going to need to pull a crank from a "junk" scooter tomorrow, as well as the crank from my own scoot, and I'm afraid that there's no way it'll happen without this "clutch nut removal tool" that's being sold specifically for the job. Here's a link to what I'm talking about: www.ebay.com/itm/SCOOTER-150CC-GY6-Starter-Clutch-Nut-Removal-Tool-/310919399397or www.ebay.com/itm/SCOOTER-150CC-GY6-Starter-Motor-Clutch-NUT-TOOL-/191101132163 Is there any way at all around ordering this tool? Any possible tricks or substitute tools for the job? I suppose I could pay my local shop to do the job for me but I mean I'll end up paying like $50 the way these guys like to rip folks off, even if I bring my engine in and torn down to where all they have to do is remove that one nut, they're going to charge me for an hour of service...  -Outbak |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 13, 2014 1:37:23 GMT -5
Spandi to the rescue, again. Much obliged, compadre. Will give Wolf a call tomorrow.
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 12, 2014 23:22:39 GMT -5
I'm making a trip to my local junkyard which carries scoots, and I'm wondering whether or not it would be worth it to pull the body plastics off of one of them. My ride is looking pretty beat up these days, missing the tail light plastics and such.
Is there any trick to knowing what brands may or may not fit on my frame? Are they pretty much universal?
If it helps, I have a 50cc Gorilla Motor Works RX-50, which I guess is basically an imported/rebranded ZNEN 50cc... |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 12, 2014 23:15:52 GMT -5
OK guys, so I feel pretty stupid! I should have thought of this the first time I changed my stator and a broken flywheel key fell out, my timing is WAY off! SO it seems, that when I installed my first replacement stator, and I (like a total n00b would do...) pounded the flywheel back on way too hard with a mallet to make sure it was well seated, and cracked the woodruff (flywheel) key. This caused my flywheel to go out of alignment, messing with my timing, I think, lol. So, the broken woodruff key has been GRINDING down the metal on, not only the flywheel, but on the cheap stock crank as well! Now, after purchasing a new woodruff key, the metal is ground down so bad around the slot where the key sets on the crank, that it's not doing it's job, the flywheel is slipping further and further still. Timing or electrical? I think timing! I guess I really don't know what to look for when using my timing light, and a few degrees off makes a huge difference. Looked right to me, but I knew I couldn't be sure. That's what I get for not doing my research. So I'm gonna make a trip to my local junkyard that just started carrying scooters, and try to pull myself a new (used) crank, hopefully this fixes my problem. Man, I love my scoot, but it's giving me a month long headache. Purchased for $400, registered for $200, and $150 more in parts and service later, it's still a piece of junk  . Here's to hoping that I get this baby back on the road soon! -Outbak |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 10, 2014 11:11:28 GMT -5
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 10, 2014 11:10:59 GMT -5
I have made another thread about this issue since it's a totally different problem. Thanks again everyone.
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 10, 2014 11:08:59 GMT -5
So I finally got my baby running again after purchasing a defective stator, however, same problem of not making it over 30MPH. Before I changed the first stator to fix a charging issue, I could hit 45 on flat ground.
I assumed it was the used stator that I installed causing some type of electrical problem, so I purchased another, but to no avail.
Interestingly enough, she seems to be accelerating better, but I still can feel the engine "missing" (brief losses of acceleration maybe once every second). The spark still looks weak, and kind of jumps left to right and the spark intensity is fluctuating.
SO, I got a timing light from Harbor Freight to rule out a timing problem, and the flywheel is looking perfectly aligned, at half throttle the advance stays between the last two lines after "F", looks good to me. I'm no expert but from this my loss of speed doesn't seem like a timing issue. Could be sliiightly off, I don't know, but
...considering the weak spark (which I thought to be caused by the stator, ruled that out at this point), and the long list of known electrical problems on this scoot, I'm wondering if it's possible that the coil isn't getting enough power, if there's an electrical issue causing it? The spark plug is new, but older than my speed loss problem, therefore not a likely culprit.
I'm going to start off my day by putting a meter to the ignition coil.
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 9, 2014 23:43:44 GMT -5
Thanks, I've actually located the problem, and got her running. There was a CUT wire on the stator, one of the two wires that run to a white 3-pin plug (one empty pin). The yellow wire, not sure if the colors are universal on these. The pickup magnet wire (blue/yellow) and the other single red wire (I'm assuming runs to CDI/ignition coil) were fine.
I'm very upset that I was sold a defective stator if that was indeed the problem.
I originally had no spark with the new stator, so it shouldn't have been a timing issue if I understand correctly, however I did notice that my flywheel alignment key (Woodruff key) had fallen out when I last pulled the flywheel, so I bought and installed a new one.
Finally, she's running again, however, same problem of not making it over 30MPH. Before I changed the first stator to fix a charging issue, I could hit 45 on flat ground.
Interestingly enough, she seems to be accelerating better, but still can feel the engine "missing" (brief losses of acceleration maybe once every second). The spark still looks weak, and kind of jumps left to right and not each spark is as strong as the last, slightly "erratic."
SO, I got a timing light from Harbor Freight to rule out a timing problem, and the flywheel is looking perfectly aligned, at half throttle the advance stays between the last two lines after "F", looks good to me. I'm no expert but from this my loss of speed doesn't seem like a timing issue. Could be sliiightly off, I don't know, but
...considering the weak spark (which I thought to be caused by the stator, ruled that out at this point), and the long list of known electrical problems on this scoot, I'm wondering if it's possible that the coil isn't getting enough power, if there's an electrical issue causing it? The spark plug is new, but older than my speed loss problem, therefore not a likely culprit.
Thanks again guys, for your advice thusfar.
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 9, 2014 12:25:54 GMT -5
I have two CDI's, both of which are known to be working, they both swapped out no problem when the scoot was running, and didn't make any kind of difference in performance. They are visually identical as well. I'd like ask a few questions to resolve my noobish misunderstandings: I just read that the regulator/rectifier should not have anything to do with spark. So unless school of Google has taught me wrong, this shouldn't be my problem, correct? Also, I've been thinking, when I called Wild Hogs to purchase a stator and they tell me that they "only carry stators for DC ignition systems, you'll have to try Ride Green." This is why I was under the impression that there are two types, but from what I've been reading, and from what the mechanic at the other shop told me, if the stator was made for a 50cc GY6, as long as it has the same # of coils/poles, should work for me, right? I just want to be positive that the first guy told me wrong, that there's not actually a different type of stator for AC and then DC ignition systems. I just find it hard to believe that the owner of a scooter store wouldn't know that... and that he'd send my business to the shop across the street! Like I said, I'll break out the multimeter ASAP and test the stator is good, and check all my connections. Also, I'll try swapping out for the old CDI just to see what happens. This problem is driving me up the wall  |
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 9, 2014 12:17:13 GMT -5
Thank you, Spandi for that information. That may help me to find a manual/wiring diagram for this scoot. God knows I'll probably need that soon.
I should have a friend coming by soon with a multimeter, I'll use it to make sure the stator I bought was good. I'm not thinking it's bad though, it came new/in plastic with a new flywheel and pickup coil/magnet.
After that I'll use the meter to test all my connections. It sucks not owning your own tools...
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Post by outbakjak on Apr 8, 2014 23:48:55 GMT -5
Hello, all. Thanks in advance to anyone who reads/responds to my first post!
I'd like to say that I've been a frequent reader at ScootDawg forums and since registration is closed over there, I'm assuming this is "where it's at" these days... Please bear with me as my first post will be quite a "doosy" as they say...
SO... I have purchased a 49cc Gorilla Motor Works RX-50 moped off of Craigslist for $400. Yes, I know, bad idea to begin with...
It was purchased from Ride Green in Winter Park originally, and their head mechanic named told me that "ALL 50cc stators are compatible with ALL other 50cc scoots," and that "Stators do NOT go bad!"
I mean, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure there's a difference between AC and DC fired stators?
The biggest problem, was that the battery would just not stay charged.
I have fixed the electric start (bad starter motor), and replaced the stator in an attempt to fix the charging issue.
Well, the stator that I replaced the original with was from a 50cc found on craigslist's *free* section. A multimeter on the battery showed that the new stator was actually charging the battery, and "thank God" I said to myself. Problem solved, right? Or so I thought.
I took her for a test drive after installing the new stator. Out of NOWHERE, half way through my drive, the dash lights came on for the first time, the running light came on for the first time, however, she was idling allllll over the place, RPM was fluctuating like crazy and... this is the kicker: she only reached a top speed of 30 MPH! So I checked the spark.
Grounding out the spark plug reveals the spark to be a weak, yellow spark, but not "erratic." The ignition coil has been replaced, and so has the CDI. Still, weak spark and no luck at fixing the engine misses.
Ok, now this is where the story gets interesting:
I took the scoot (driving 20-30MPH the whole way there) down to Ride Green where it was originally purchased, and the "head mechanic" named 'Cookie' sold me a BRAND new stator, a stator that was supposed to match the GMW RX-50 that HE originally sold, so there's no excuse for it not to be a match...
So I installed the thing, and now, I get NO SPARK! I'm at a loss. I have no idea what to check next or how in the world a brand new, in the box stator won't produce a spark, and YES, I'm positive that it's wired correctly! I have a BRAND new CDI, the only thing I have yet to change out in the ignition system is the Regulator, however that doesn't explain why a brand-spanking-new Stator will not produce a spark, whereas a crappy old stator pulled from a bike which I don't even know is a match, performed better than the new one. This is starting to KILL me. I've put over $800 into this thing in parts, a mechanic, and registration to make it run, and to make it legal, and now it won't start. I've had it for less than two months!
For the love of God, please, help me!
(-_-) <me being sick of this nonsense
Thanks again to anyone who reads/responds.
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