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Post by baronvon on Aug 22, 2016 13:17:53 GMT -5
hey scoot peeps - new to forum, I cannot find anything negative on specific scooters especially the larger name brands and newer models. I mean after all these are machines and machines break, right? I am still on the fence about getting a scooter - i went to a dealer to look at the Bintelli Scorch 150 drove it and thought cool - then drove the Lance Cabo 200i and WOW,
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Post by flyangler on Aug 22, 2016 17:54:05 GMT -5
Get the Lance
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Post by cookees on Aug 22, 2016 21:44:32 GMT -5
Think of the Bintelli as a Chevy, and the Lance as a Lexus. A 150cc carb vs a 163cc FI is not apples to apples, and I'm gonna take a SWAG ( sophisticated wild-arse guess) and say there's probably a grand difference between them. Both represent a good value at their respective MSRP's
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Post by cookietin on Oct 1, 2016 17:17:25 GMT -5
Your best bet is to seek out the scooter forums specifically for the particular make/models you are wondering about. There are plenty, Real owners, real pros and cons and such. I've seen just as many problems mentioned on these brand-specific forums and it should help.
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Post by ungabunga on Oct 1, 2016 18:20:40 GMT -5
I posted this on the general forum, but it gives a brief overview of the brands. Oldchopperguy's response in the general forum is a good summation.
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Post by cookees on Oct 1, 2016 20:24:08 GMT -5
The scooter hierarchy is pretty much the same today as in 2008. 1. Japanese and Italian 2. Taiwanese 3. Chinese ... and there is a huge variance in Chinese Quality. The normal Chinese business model values quantity vs quality.
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Post by bandito2 on Oct 2, 2016 0:35:00 GMT -5
Like just about anything else, you really should think about what you are willing to invest into an endeavor. It is no different for scooter ownership. 1 ) Your $$ budget & new or used - How much you are able and willing to spend - New is going to cost more than used. See the hierarchy list above - New Japanese is going to be more than used and used may (or may not; depending) still be more than new Chinese. New Taiwanese is going to be more than used and used may (or may not; depending) be about the same as new Chinese. (honestly I'm speculating on this one, but seems a reasonable guess.) Others here may correct me on this.
2 ) Time and wrenching skill - Will you do your own repair & maintenance and do you have the time, skills, (or the willingness to learn how) tools and available space? (even if it isn't your own space) or will you be able and willing to pay others to do it for you? If you will be having others do the work, how will you get it there and will it be close enough to be convenient? (knowing or learning how to do your own work is far less expensive than paying others to do it for you and personally rewarding.) Learning how is generally not that hard to do. these are relatively simple machines... and fear not, there is lots of encouragement and help here if needed. Generally speaking, Japanese, Italian and Taiwanese tend to be more reliable than Chinese and maintenance frequency usually less than for Chinese scooters but parts for the Chinese scooters are usually much less expensive and as far as I can tell, relatively easy to get.
3 ) What is your intended use for the scooter? - Will you be using it as a frequent form of commuting? Dependability will be important or a willingness to do more frequent repair or maintenance as needed to keep it road worthy.
4 ) What kind of roads will it be used on and speeds needed? - If higher speeds and/or load carrying for more than just yourself or riding on mountainous or hilly roads are a requirement more than just occasionally, then a scooter of appropriate engine size will be necessary for your safety and comfort.
A pitfall to avoid is getting a scooter that may not be very large with the idea of "boosting performance" with upgrades. My advice - don't do it; especially if you are not familiar with the procedures and the possibility of degrading the usable life of the bike. If it is not big enough to do the job as is, then save yourself from the grief and frustration and just get a bigger bike that is appropriate to the task. However, performance parts that actually increase reliability would be OK though.
That's pretty much the important stuff to consider. Things like style, color and accessories are just secondary. Decide what will really be best for you to get by making your decision based on the guidelines above. Others here may have other things I may have missed that you may use in your choice of scooter. Get the important stuff right the first time (or as much as possible) and you will be more likely to be satisfied and successful with your choice. That means less chance for frustration, regrets and wasted or lost time and money.
My suggestion would be to make a list of where you would be with the 4 guidelines above and present them; then members here would be more informed and could offer suggestions for scooters based on your parameters.
I would say good luck, and it sometimes helps, but luck is too often not as reliable as good decision making.
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