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Post by job on Jun 30, 2016 19:38:34 GMT -5
As I read the posts on the last 2 pages I am surprised and discouraged about the negative, narrow minded, and mean spirited replies. I have been riding for over 50 years and I have owned over 80 bikes of all sizes and types. I posted on this forum just as a friendly observer for over 5 years. I don't think I will be back though. We all need to remember that this and all forums should be inclusive, friendly, and informative, when they become mean and judgemental they serve no ones best interest. Job
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Post by hillbillybob on Jun 30, 2016 19:39:33 GMT -5
What's with all the negativity going on in this thread? Come on guys, you ride what you want, and let others do the same, and without all of the criticism thrown in. Same thing goes for lifestyles, unless you're a father, talking to his 10 year old, you have no business telling someone else how to live.
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Post by Paladin on Jun 30, 2016 19:51:25 GMT -5
Because until paramedics are instructed to let non-helmeted riders bleed out in the gutter (something I would be entirely in favor of), they cost an enormous amount of money. Statistically, helmeted riders have the same risk of deaths/accident as unhelmeted riders. Motorcycle insurance companies don't even ask if the rider uses ATGATT or nothing. The money is the same, helmeted or not. As again, why do you hate people that ride differently than you?
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Post by Paladin on Jun 30, 2016 20:14:42 GMT -5
In '04 I was looking at the 250 class cruisers, until I noticed the Savage (Suzuki S40.) Only 50 pounds heavier than the 250's, wickedly quick, faster than I need, comfortable, low vibration. Rode it for 8 years, until age/medical problems moved me to a step-through frame and now into a cage.
Whatever. The Big Single is an excellent bike -- if you want a lightweight cruiser. The SuzukiSavage.com forum is very helpful site. You tell us what you want out of a motorcycle; and if the Savage isn't it, we will suggest a better bike.
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Post by rockynv on Jul 1, 2016 5:13:43 GMT -5
Because until paramedics are instructed to let non-helmeted riders bleed out in the gutter (something I would be entirely in favor of), they cost an enormous amount of money. Statistically, helmeted riders have the same risk of deaths/accident as unhelmeted riders. Motorcycle insurance companies don't even ask if the rider uses ATGATT or nothing. The money is the same, helmeted or not. As again, why do you hate people that ride differently than you? Read the fine print on the addendum on your PIP or general health insurance policies as many while the agent won't ask will have a section titled something like Extreme or High Risk activities that will not be covered. Under those types of addendum's many policies are putting waivers excluding riding without a helmet or even riding a motorcycle from being covered. The US Military covers this a grounds for disciplinary action and some employers have it listed as an act of employee misconduct which can get you terminated with loss of benefits. One has to understand that there is more here than just ones personal opinion on the matter. You can loose your job and health/medical/personal injury benefits along with life insurance coverage for riding without the required safety gear. The money most definitely is not the same and that is just nonsense spouted by helmet haters as time and time again we see riders with bashed up helmets and gear walking away completely unharmed from slides and offs at even 70 mph where the sides of the helmets are almost ground through and so beat up that the riders would have had died and then we see scooter riders who tumbled off at below 20 mph ending up near death and going through years of rehab because they hit their head, broke jaws, damaged shoulders, mangled hands and had other such injuries that would have been 99% prevented by wearing the appropriate gear. These are the facts that many of us are personally aware of not just over hyped studies that were slanted to promote the anti-helmet mentality. The only hate here is toward having to pay $1000 more for PIP because so many people who ride flaunt safety.
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Post by Paladin on Jul 1, 2016 23:55:17 GMT -5
I don't ask you do ride as I ride. Why do you want me to ride as you ride? ... Yes, you are also partly responsible for everyone having to pay higher insurance rates and for more money having to be set aside to pay for under or uninsured riders who get more catastrophically injured in minor accidents that a AGATT rider would most often walk away from with minor bruises and abraisions.... Statistically, those who ride ATGATT have the same rate of injuries/deaths -- because they ride faster. The rate of deaths/motorcycle accidents is over triple nowadays than from the '60's = '70's.
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Post by Paladin on Jul 2, 2016 0:02:05 GMT -5
Statistically, helmeted riders have the same risk of deaths/accident as unhelmeted riders. Motorcycle insurance companies don't even ask if the rider uses ATGATT or nothing. The money is the same, helmeted or not. As again, why do you hate people that ride differently than you? Read the fine print on the addendum on your PIP or general health insurance policies as many while the agent won't ask will have a section titled something like Extreme or High Risk activities that will not be covered. Under those types of addendum's many policies are putting waivers excluding riding without a helmet or even riding a motorcycle from being covered.... eh. I fell down, buggered my shoulder and broke four ribs. Went the emergency thingie, later went to various doctors, no one cared that I fell on my scoot. Motorcycle riding is not an extreme high risk activity -- unless you are playing racer on the streets.
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Post by Paladin on Jul 2, 2016 0:20:59 GMT -5
Just been looking on the Internet, seems that Medicare covers me jes' fine. Going back about the S40/Savage: www.progressive.com/newsroom/article/2005/june/motorcycle-tips/The four Japanese Sport bikes -- Suzuki GSX-R Series, Kawasaki Ninja Series, Yamaha YZF Series, and Honda CBR Series -- sit in slots 1-5 on both most crashed and most stolen motorcycles. The Suzuki Savage (S40) is third least crashed and least stolen motorcycle.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 2, 2016 1:09:11 GMT -5
Whew, what HAPPENED here? This is SUPPOSED to be the FRIENDLIEST motor site on the Net.
Fifty years ago, I rode a true "animal" (11-second quarter-mile in 1962!!!) Harley chopper. I also toured it all over Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin... Riding with pals aboard Triumph, BSA, Norton, Royal Enfield and other 500-750cc and assorted Harley big-twins and Sportsters... AND a number of Ducatti 250's, BSA 500 thumpers and a few Cushman Eagles, Vespas and Lambrettas. NOBODY EVER looked down on anybody else's ride. We just rode a speed the slowest bikes were safe at.
My ancient and outdated '07 Kymco Grandvista 250 is a stone-age single-cam, carbureted single that was deemed a "touring" scooter when first introduced. Old "Minnie Mouse" can't cruise long-range much faster than 65, but she's still considered a touring ride.
Back when I rode big bikes, I liked plenty of displacement, but I'd have no qualms about a road-trip on a 650 single. In most countries, THAT is a BIG bike.
In my youth, helmets weren't commonly seen except on the track, and then most were used high-school football helmets.
Today, I always wear a helmet, but most Texans refuse to wear them. I try to "live and let live" whenever possible.
How 'bout we all remember the forum is for ALL rides, including ATV's, boats, mini-bikes or whatever, and be careful not to drive anyone away. Forgetting that is what ruined some of the older "scooter" sites.
Ride safe, ride friendly, whatever you ride... and respect your pal's ride, whether you would choose it, or not.
Leo (ridin' friendly with everything from bicycles, 50's, cruisers to crotch-rockets) in Texas
PS: Job, have a bone for riding what you like! Stick with us, we just got off to a shaky start. This IS a marvelous forum for all rides! Lots of members downsizing from big bikes to scoots... Lots of members upsizing from scoots to big bikes and everything in between!
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Post by rockynv on Jul 2, 2016 8:47:43 GMT -5
Read the fine print on the addendum on your PIP or general health insurance policies as many while the agent won't ask will have a section titled something like Extreme or High Risk activities that will not be covered. Under those types of addendum's many policies are putting waivers excluding riding without a helmet or even riding a motorcycle from being covered.... eh. I fell down, buggered my shoulder and broke four ribs. Went the emergency thingie, later went to various doctors, no one cared that I fell on my scoot. Motorcycle riding is not an extreme high risk activity -- unless you are playing racer on the streets. I am seeing these types of articles coming up in the news and in company health plan bulletins. Note that has been ongoing since the 1980'/1990's. The past 3 companies I have worked for all had riding a motorcycle without a helmet and gear listed as "Risky Activity" or "Extreme Risk Activity" and exempted from coverage. The AMA (American Motorcycle Association) thought that HIPAA would stop this however it has not. Regardless of what you personally think, we need to be aware that the insurance industry and a growing number of employers list Motorcycle Riding as Risky, High Risk or Extreme Risk Activity especially if you are not wearing a helmet and gear. Those are the well published facts and not just my own personal opinion. The more people who are encouraged to flaunt safety and such the more employers and insurance companies are going to be restricting coverage. Just because they said nothing the last time does not mean that they are going to continue to do so especially if other businesses and insurance vendors are setting a precedence in this. Riders who keep pushing this anti-gear thing are just going to make it tougher and more expensive for all of us. Here is the undeniable reality of things that we all need to consider if we ride: www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562516/postswww.examiner.com/article/insurance-companies-can-deny-coverage-for-motorcycle-accidentsBottom line we all need to wear safety gear and stop fueling this reaction from Businesses and the Insurance Industry as we are all suffering to a degree now due to the rebels and if they continue then its only going to get worse. Note that even Geico now has restrictions on how many miles you can ride per day and still be covered and excludes riding that “might result in bodily injury" as a very vague and broad get out of jail clause that could be applied to an extremely broad range of situations. Yes you are technically free to do your own thing however you can't claim it does not impact others, has no consequences nor should one encourage the unknowing to engage in similar unsafe practices. We all need to be aware that riding without gear brings the additional risk of being denied health coverage and potentially loss of employment. If the few keep pushing things we may see riding a Motorcycle or Scooter at all set as grounds for being denied insurance coverage or set as grounds for termination of employment. As for hate the thing I would hate would be to see a note about loosing a member of this board because they rode without a helmet after reading a naysayers anti-gear posting only to die in a relatively minor accident that even a cheap $39 helmet could have saved them from. I love everyone here like a brother, sister, son or daughter and don't want to loose any of them.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 2, 2016 9:58:57 GMT -5
"Whew, what HAPPENED here? This is SUPPOSED to be the FRIENDLIEST motor site on the Net." -I think the site IS still friendly. Members on this thread have been arguing like spouses, but I haven't seen anybody resort to name calling. On the other forums that I frequent, this discussion would have degenerated into a hail of insults and f-bombs. -I like thumpers. I don't insult you if you hate them and consider them archaic. -I am ATGATT. I don't insult you if you ride without a helmet. -I'm not here to change anybody. I seem to learn more from people with whom I disagree. What are you going to learn from somebody that agrees with you on everything?
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 3, 2016 19:34:56 GMT -5
Just been looking on the Internet, seems that Medicare covers me jes' fine. Going back about the S40/Savage: www.progressive.com/newsroom/article/2005/june/motorcycle-tips/The four Japanese Sport bikes -- Suzuki GSX-R Series, Kawasaki Ninja Series, Yamaha YZF Series, and Honda CBR Series -- sit in slots 1-5 on both most crashed and most stolen motorcycles. The Suzuki Savage (S40) is third least crashed and least stolen motorcycle. Gee...considering the huge number of different bikes "Ninja Series" or "CBR Series" covers (from learner bikes to 180+MPH superbikes), that is basically a meaningless statement. I would love to know where Harleys rank on the most-stolen list. I would also like tyo know EXACTLY how they arrived at their conclusions...for example, do their numbers include bikes that were stolen, but no insurance claim was made? (I suspect many Savages, being worth very little money, are not insured against theft.)
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 3, 2016 23:56:33 GMT -5
"Whew, what HAPPENED here? This is SUPPOSED to be the FRIENDLIEST motor site on the Net."-I think the site IS still friendly. Members on this thread have been arguing like spouses, but I haven't seen anybody resort to name calling. On the other forums that I frequent, this discussion would have degenerated into a hail of insults and f-bombs. -I like thumpers. I don't insult you if you hate them and consider them archaic. -I am ATGATT. I don't insult you if you ride without a helmet. -I'm not here to change anybody. I seem to learn more from people with whom I disagree. What are you going to learn from somebody that agrees with you on everything? Wheelbender6, Well said! Have a bone on the Old Chopper Guy!I too like "thumpers" and for me, one of the attractions of today's single-cylinder scooters is that they are little thumpers that will also rev... Good torque AND some speed too... A tad "Ducati-like" in a strange sort of way.And yes, we all SHOULD wear protective gear. We all SHOULD make a living wage for our work too, but that doesn't always happen either... LOL! I just don't want to see a new member discouraged, or leave the site before he or she gets to find out what we're all about. Ride safe, post friendly... Leo in Texas
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Post by Paladin on Jul 4, 2016 6:05:45 GMT -5
Just been looking on the Internet, seems that Medicare covers me jes' fine. Going back about the S40/Savage: www.progressive.com/newsroom/article/2005/june/motorcycle-tips/The four Japanese Sport bikes -- Suzuki GSX-R Series, Kawasaki Ninja Series, Yamaha YZF Series, and Honda CBR Series -- sit in slots 1-5 on both most crashed and most stolen motorcycles. The Suzuki Savage (S40) is third least crashed and least stolen motorcycle. Gee...considering the huge number of different bikes "Ninja Series" or "CBR Series" covers (from learner bikes to 180+MPH superbikes), that is basically a meaningless statement. I would love to know where Harleys rank on the most-stolen list. I would also like tyo know EXACTLY how they arrived at their conclusions...for example, do their numbers include bikes that were stolen, but no insurance claim was made? (I suspect many Savages, being worth very little money, are not insured against theft.) You would have to ask Progressive Insurance, but since insurance companies care about money and rates I would assume they know what various bikes are more likely to be crashed and stolen and set their rates accordingly. When I switched from the 650cc cruiser to a 150cc scooter they increased my rates; not much, but the figure people get more frisky on a scooter than a small cruiser. But think about it. Who is more likely to crash -- a dude laid back on a small cruiser or one pushing the limits on a sport bike? And then when a bike is crashed the owner will need replacement parts, which are available at "midnight auto."
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 4, 2016 7:36:06 GMT -5
Actually, I think it might be simpler than that if you have full coverage: a scooter is MUCH more likely to have serious damage (as in: possibly totalled) from a minor drop than a motorcycle (bent peg, scraped tank...probably won't even bother to file a claim).
Unless you have actual hard data about HOW the information was collected, it means nothing and is just noise.
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