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Post by rockynv on Jun 27, 2016 4:29:57 GMT -5
It really does not matter whether you are on a 50 cc or a 1,500 cc bike. A slide on some leaves or sand suddenly blown across the road can take you down resulting in catastrophic injuries at even 20 mph. A reasonable helmet, riding jacket, etc can prevent  % of the hurt a responsible rider might experience. I was anti-gear because it was too hot, etc until someone reasonable got me to try gear designed for the climate I ride in and it was like riding riding in the shade compared to roasting alive in the direct sun. I get to work and back home again on my 45 minute commute cooler and dryer without needing to hit the showers like I did before I started wearing ATGATT. If you want an easy way to tell those who do not really know what they are talking about, just look for the ones who say its too hot to wear safety gear. They have either worn winter gear in the dead of summer or have not ever worn safety gear at all. Either way they are just repeating the naysayers rhetoric and don't have a clue of what they are speaking about. I use to be one of them and can admit that I was wrong. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jun 27, 2016 16:27:30 GMT -5
Probably because nobody really wants a Savage (they are practically given away used), the parts are mostly worthless .... Damn! You really hate the Thumper, don'tcha. Facts: The Suzuki LS650 was first produced in 1986, and is still being built. MSRP: 2000: $4,249 2001: $4,299 -- $50 increase 2002: $4,299 2003: $4,299 2004: $4,349 -- $50 increase 2005: $4,399 -- $50 increase 2006: $4,399 2007: $4,399 2008: $4,399 2009: $4,899 -- $500 increase 2010: n/a, motorcycle market crash 2011: $5,099 -- $200 increase 2012: $5,399 -- $300 increase 2013: $5,699 -- $300 increase 2014: $5,499 -- $200 decrease! 2015: $5,499 2016: $5,499 In 2008 someone in Suzuki noticed that the S40 keeps getting sold, and started jacking up the MSRP. Yamaha noticed that the Thumper keeps plodding along, and for 2015-16 they have marketed the SR400 -- at an MSRP of $5,990. A rather interesting bike. It is not "retro." It is the same bike originally made in 1978 and has been produced in the Japanese Domestic Market since. They haven't bothered adding an electric starter -- it's kick only. There are those who appreciate the qualities of the Big Single. Enough that they can continue produce the S40 year after year. We like our Thumper. We don't care if you don't. We don't bad mouth your motorcycle choice. Why do you have to rag on the S40? Because I rode one...it was a miserable penalty box that did nothing well, and is probably ten years past due for euthanasia. Mechanical brake and a carb in 2016...SERIOUSLY? |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jun 27, 2016 19:11:39 GMT -5
"Mechanical brake and a carb in 2016...SERIOUSLY?"
I don't mind a carburetor on a single cyl bike. I want FI on a multi jug bike so I will not need to synch carbs.
Its my understanding that you cannot push start or kick start a fuel injected bike that has a dead battery.
If so, that is a big disadvantage to me.
-I don't mind a mechanical rear brake either. I hate bleeding brakes. I would feel different if I rode larger bikes.
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Post by Paladin on Jun 28, 2016 16:25:08 GMT -5
Damn! You really hate the Thumper, don'tcha. There are those who appreciate the qualities of the Big Single. Enough that they can continue produce the S40 year after year. We like our Thumper. We don't care if you don't. We don't bad mouth your motorcycle choice. Why do you have to rag on the S40? Because I rode one...it was a miserable penalty box that did nothing well, and is probably ten years past due for euthanasia. Mechanical brake and a carb in 2016...SERIOUSLY? Fine! You like high tech and high performance. Great. No Problem! Go get whatever you want. But others like the old tech Thumper. Enough of us idiots that Suzuki is able to continue selling the fossil year after year. Carb means no high pressure fuel pump to break. Rear brake? After 35,000 miles it was hardly used. ! I haven't done hard braking for over 20 years. I don't need high tech. I do not want high tech. |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jun 28, 2016 20:10:18 GMT -5
I love hi tech bikes like MV Agustas and high end japanese bikes too like the Honda VFR. When it comes time to spend my hard earned cash, I usually go conservative and choose a low tech machine.
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jun 28, 2016 20:28:14 GMT -5
"If you consider a Savage a "touring bike", you must have some REALLY low standards"This guy on ADVrider.com has said low standards. 
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jun 28, 2016 21:16:34 GMT -5
He certainly does. That's on the same level as touring on a Rebel.
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Post by cyborg55 on Jun 28, 2016 22:46:51 GMT -5
I've had them all,,the high priced spread isn't all it's cracked up to be ,,,hi tech equals high prices to maintain and fix in most cases,,,I've gone the other way,,,from ductatis and big multis and mv's,,,to a dr350 (hopped up of course) and suspension work,,,and a genuine Stella,,,and just got a  bmw st ,,,,what rings some peoples bell simply doesn't with others,,,all my exotics were finicky and expensive,,and got sh!tty mileage,,,and I don't have to worry about every nick and stone chip,,,the savage being a Japanese standard that's been in constant production for so long is saying a lot,,with a 4-6 year run being long ,,,my st is my 60th personal bike and my dr was my 58th and is easily in the top 10 if not in the top 5,,,I used to have this argument on a few other boards,,wanna find out how "good " a bike is??,,,run a full moto,,on a real live track take a nice cruise from LA to sanfrancisco do another moto up there ride back down to LA and do another moto,,,that will separate the men from the boys and their bikes too,,,and the savage could do it too,,,it may not be the fastest or the prettiest lump to come out of Japan but it's a stone,,, |
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Post by cyborg55 on Jun 28, 2016 22:54:05 GMT -5
And also we in America think anything under a 750 is a moped,,,while in the rest of the world (especially Asia)anything over a 200 is considered a full size bike,,,and with gas in Asia hovering around $9 a gallon a 175-250cc is just right,,,when my r80 gets done not many bikes will be able to hang with it,,,they won the Dakar with it more than once,,and also Vespa px 200's ran the Dakar ,,yes they are stones too,,,but they are keepers
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Post by cyborg55 on Jun 29, 2016 15:03:56 GMT -5
As far as the helmet& gear thing,,,no helmet no gear no race says the ama and every other sanctioning body for racing,,,they work,,,I went down on the freeway at speed,(hit a patch of oil),,ground a hole in my helmet as big as a baseball,,rivets on my gloves got so hot they blistered my palms,,,wore a few holes in my boots and pants,,small raspberries ,,,walked away,,,,and rode the bike home,,,,bent bars and all,,felt like I went a few rounds with tyson the next day,,,after almost 500,000 miles and a few mishaps I've only needed the gear to be there for less than a minute total,,,I'm just glad it was there for those few moments,,saved me a ton of agony ,,,altho I wish I would have worn a different jacket when I went down hard on the freeway,,,my favorite jacket,,,bummer,,,I still own it and see it in my riding closet ,,,
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Post by Paladin on Jun 29, 2016 20:57:19 GMT -5
I don't ask you do ride as I ride. Why do you want me to ride as you ride?
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jun 29, 2016 21:25:17 GMT -5
Because until paramedics are instructed to let non-helmeted riders bleed out in the gutter (something I would be entirely in favor of), they cost an enormous amount of money.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jun 29, 2016 21:27:22 GMT -5
... "If you consider a Savage a "touring bike", you must have some REALLY low standards" Or, you really enjoy vibration. As I said, Suzuki did too good of a job on the counter-balancer, very low vibration. At touring speed the the vibration is like the massage bed in a cheap motel. A sport bike has a higher frequency vibration, like the drill in a dentist's chair. If you cannot balance a quarter on the engine while it runs, it is not smooth enough. |
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Post by cyborg55 on Jun 29, 2016 21:58:19 GMT -5
Oh I don't care how or what you ride in,, you could go barefoot in a speedo and no teeshirt,,, matters not to me ,, it's a personal choice,,,I ride a little differently that's all,,, I don't sit on the seat half the time I stand alot,, I know every dip / hole and jump,,, and I look for them,,, I charge corners and I ride with purpose,,, picking the best line,, there is no kickin back with my feet out in the breeze like I'm on a couch,,, with backrests and all the other lazyboy stuff that promote sloppy riding and bad habits,,,all my bikes have the pegs directly under the seat so I can stand immediately ,,, the forward control crowd are asking for huge trouble if problems arise,, no control,,, my bikes are in tip top shape at all times or I don't ride them,,, that's why I have more than one so if one is down or needs service I have another that I can hop on and blast on,,,
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Post by rockynv on Jun 30, 2016 12:47:44 GMT -5
I don't ask you do ride as I ride. Why do you want me to ride as you ride? You basically claimed that gear was not going to protect you and the laws requiring it are just a ploy perpatrated upon the public by big business to get large percentages of bikers to leave the state. New riders are likely to eat this up and become Lemmings since they don't know any better so you put them at risk when you make these not quite true statements about safety gear and the reasons it should not be worn. Yes, you are also partly responsible for everyone having to pay higher insurance rates and for more money having to be set aside to pay for under or uninsured riders who get more catastrophically injured in minor accidents that a AGATT rider would most often walk away from with minor bruises and abraisions. There is excellant hot weather gear available at very low cost that will make riding not only safer but much more comfortable in hot climates. This is the truth of the matter. If one wants to become a Darwin Award candidate as an informed choice that is sad and unfortunate however it is borderline criminal to encourage others to do the same by misleading them with flase statements against the value of wearing a helmet and motorcycle gear. Here in Florida insurance companies are making it a matter of policy to no longer cover riders who don't not wear the safety gear mandated in the policies however that does not resolve that those ungeared riders then dip into mandated life saving care at public expense that the rest of us who do wear our gear along with non-riders end up having to pay for. Plainly stated - Riders who do not wear their gear and encourage others to do the same already have their hands poised to dip into all our pockets so we all end up paying for the end results of their very bad judgement. You may not be the one to crash however some of the 5, 10, 20, etc others who were encouraged to do the same by the posts of naysayers will crash and then who should rightly make up the difference in the costs of treating their more severe injuries? It should be the ones neglegently ecouraging riding unsafe. If one of them dies who should the family consider suing? Maybe Paladin for encouraging the unsafe riding? |
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% of the hurt a responsible rider might experience.
bmw st ,,,,what rings some peoples bell simply doesn't with others,,,all my exotics were finicky and expensive,,and got sh!tty mileage,,,and I don't have to worry about every nick and stone chip,,,the savage being a Japanese standard that's been in constant production for so long is saying a lot,,with a 4-6 year run being long ,,,my