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Post by tortoise on Apr 1, 2016 9:54:04 GMT -5
Which Jonway model?
If no leaks, fuel consumption is determined by fuel bowl metering (enricher, pilot, or main jet) . . or a deficient petcock diaphragm allowing fuel to bypass the carb via the vacuum line.
Experiment with blocking off the enricher with gasket material and testing the vacuum fuel petcock.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 1, 2016 11:54:40 GMT -5
Hmm... not entirely convinced this is the supposed milage... I went to work and back, a total of 23 miles... Before going to work I had a completely full tank, arriving home from work I can see the bottom of the tank... Even for 0.8g tank that seems way too low to me, that would be what about maybe 30MPG? That's horrible for a scooter... It is completely stock, there are no leaks, so I am confused here, pretty sure these things are supposed to get like 60mpg+ stock. Yes 60 mpg at below 40 mph. Over 40 mph it drops and at a steady 55+ can drop to 45 mpg.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 2, 2016 6:22:22 GMT -5
rocky, that sounds like a lot of work for a bigger tank, so nebber mind, lain.
Plus like you posted, you *should* be getting better mileage. Even I do, with nothing but go'n'stop'n'stop'n'go'n'morestop riding. Maybe tortoise' post will help.
>'Kat
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Post by rockynv on Apr 2, 2016 8:18:24 GMT -5
rocky, that sounds like a lot of work for a bigger tank, so nebber mind, lain. Plus like you posted, you *should* be getting better mileage. Even I do, with nothing but go'n'stop'n'stop'n'go'n'morestop riding. Maybe tortoise' post will help. >'Kat Yes the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes can get better mileage than the GY6 150 especially at speeds over 40 mph. The GY6 150 cc is at its peak mpg at between 30 to 35 mph while the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes are at their peak mpg at 40 to 55 mph. I get much better fuel economy overall on my 250 than I did on my Lance/Znen 150 GY6 since most roads where I ride have 40 to 60 mph speed limits. Where I ride, a GY6 150 would be past its max speed for peak efficiency while the 200 to 300 cc bikes are in their peak efficiency zone at those speeds. With a 0.8 gallon tank you have around 102 ounces of gas which at 50 mpg gives you 0.39 miles per ounce or gets you 10 miles for every 26 ounces of gas. You will consume about ninety ounces of gas at 35 miles leaving around 12 ounces (1 1/2 cups) in the tank which will look almost bone dry in the oblong flat tank under the floorboards. You will be out of gas when you hit 40 miles. Even if you can increase fuel economy to 60 mpg you will need to stop for gas before you hit 43 miles since you will only gain about 8 miles per 0.8 gallon tank of fuel.
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Post by lain on Apr 3, 2016 7:09:52 GMT -5
rocky, that sounds like a lot of work for a bigger tank, so nebber mind, lain. Plus like you posted, you *should* be getting better mileage. Even I do, with nothing but go'n'stop'n'stop'n'go'n'morestop riding. Maybe tortoise' post will help. >'Kat Yes the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes can get better mileage than the GY6 150 especially at speeds over 40 mph. The GY6 150 cc is at its peak mpg at between 30 to 35 mph while the Piaggio 200 to 300 cc bikes are at their peak mpg at 40 to 55 mph. I get much better fuel economy overall on my 250 than I did on my Lance/Znen 150 GY6 since most roads where I ride have 40 to 60 mph speed limits. Where I ride, a GY6 150 would be past its max speed for peak efficiency while the 200 to 300 cc bikes are in their peak efficiency zone at those speeds. With a 0.8 gallon tank you have around 102 ounces of gas which at 50 mpg gives you 0.39 miles per ounce or gets you 10 miles for every 26 ounces of gas. You will consume about ninety ounces of gas at 35 miles leaving around 12 ounces (1 1/2 cups) in the tank which will look almost bone dry in the oblong flat tank under the floorboards. You will be out of gas when you hit 40 miles. Even if you can increase fuel economy to 60 mpg you will need to stop for gas before you hit 43 miles since you will only gain about 8 miles per 0.8 gallon tank of fuel. My tank is above the rear wheel, not that it matters a whole lot. Would love to be able to get to work and home without worrying that if I stop at a store I won't get stranded. It's really becoming such a pain in the arse that I am going to bring my smaller scoot out at least for the rest of the cold days because this is getting stressful. Doing the same trip with the smaller scoot, going almost the same speeds, I only gas up twice or three times a week, this 150 is demanding I gas up once or twice each day.... I am wondering what kinds of things I can use as an aux tank, not a water bottle right, or is plastic bottles melting from gas a myth?
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Post by rockynv on Apr 3, 2016 7:26:27 GMT -5
The more upright tank will probable let you run it closer to empty but we are only talking about 102 ounces total fuel and using the last 12 ounces at this point or less than 10 miles difference.
The bottle needs to be rated for gasoline. Water bottles especially if they are environmentally friendly can turn to putty if used for gasoline.
You are going through the same frustration that I had with the Lance/Znen 150. At around 30 mph with little stop and go I could get as much as 64 mpg after I put in the Hoca variator and really tuned the CVT after pristinely cleaning up the fuel system and setting the valves to perfection however the norm at 45+ mph was 50 mpg.
When I looked at my fuel logs I found with the floor board tank I actually had a whopping 1.3 gallon so I had that backwards (senior citizen trying to remember specs from 5 years ago) and even that is unacceptable if you ride daily to commute. Yes I was always fearful of running out of gas at 1.3 gallons while at 0.8 I would have been paranoid. The trade off with the floorboard tank is that you need a fuel pump which can lean out at high speeds.
After running the Lance 150 from September 2010 to April 2011 at I walked into an Aprilia dealer on a lark and found the Sport City 250 with a 2.4 gallon tank that got better fuel economy than the Lance and was interstate capable. The better fuel economy and lower monthly cost to keep it on the road actually made up for the payments. The running joke was that with the Lance it would have been less work to just get a part time job to pay for the gas to drive my van to work every day. In the past 30,000 miles it has cost less to keep the Aprilia running than it did to own the Lance from 3,744.0 miles on the odometer when I bought it to 6,746.8 miles when I traded it in. With the Lance it was a constant bleeding of cracked heads (multiple), cracked mufflers (multiple), failed ignition pickup, bad belts, fuel pump impacted by ethanol so it couldn't keep up, monthly oil changes, failed mirror mounts, fender mounts failing, starter electronics failing, CDI failures, clutch failures, gearbox failures, worn out variator, etc. At 30,000 miles I still do not need any engine work and the variator along with the clutch are still almost like new. The only problem I have had was the last belt which I purchased from a local Vespa dealer was old stock and failed after 2,000 miles so I have to clean that up and I am now resolved to purchase belts only from a large high volume dealer and not a small local shop that lets belts sit for years hanging on hooks expose to sunlight.
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Post by lain on Apr 8, 2016 12:10:29 GMT -5
I started having starting and running issues that seemed like bad valve gaps, as I thought I checked and in was 0.002 and ex was completely closed, set them both to 0.005, very slight clatter but the gas mileage seems to have doubled! I was able to get to work and back and only used a little more than half the tank instead of almost the whole thing! Goes to show you should really check valves on used scoots.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 8, 2016 12:16:17 GMT -5
On the Lance sometimes the valves would need monthly adjustments. If I used regular gas they would sink into the head faster and require more frequent adjustments.
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Post by lain on Apr 8, 2016 12:55:19 GMT -5
Well I always use 9 3 octane with a cap worth of seafoam in every fill up. Do it with all my rides because I believe this helps with mileage and keeps the engine clean so it can last longer, also seems to keep the jets clean with my secondary which I only ride once a week or two just to keep it road ready as an emergency backup or just for a friend to use for fun lol.
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Post by rockynv on Apr 8, 2016 23:44:32 GMT -5
Sometimes despite your best efforts they still settle for a while especially if they have been running lean and hot in the past so keep an eye on them.
A few early oil changes may not be a bad idea if the oil looked particularly bad when you first got it.
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 9, 2016 5:33:27 GMT -5
Oh lain, I'm glad to read that this seems to've gotten worked out for you. I can't imagine how nerve-wracking it was to have so little distance available to drive. I actually considered an electric scooter when I first got this idea. Except it had I think about a 30 mile range, tops. Well, to work and back home is 20 miles exactly, so that pretty much left out any side trips not en route. Pretty much left out ANY other trips, except possibly errands in town and fairly close to home. Then I saw Peej and nebber mind anything else.... >'Kat
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Post by townzlblx150 on Apr 9, 2016 10:48:39 GMT -5
I have one of .8 gal tanks and even when mine was running bad, I got 60+ mpg's, could you have isuues with valve settings or something else affecting your engine performance. I currently get at least mpg.
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