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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 13:51:40 GMT -5
You say you can see metal fakes in the whole going into the crankcase, did you drain all of the oil ? You did just replace the top end so you will see some metal , but I would not expect any flakes or chunks. You don't have any crank bearing noise from what I can remember. If you didn't drain the oil , I would do so and see what's in it. |
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Post by murkyapricot on Feb 12, 2016 22:02:46 GMT -5
I did drain the oil Here's a small amount of what i found in there  Also here's the video hope this helps |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:21:17 GMT -5
The roller " sprag " on top , can you push it down " out" towards the crank , and for that matter , can you push all of them out towards the crank ? If one is stuck , then that would cause slippage. Also the sprags grab the inside of the gear , can you take a pick of the gear on the other side so we can see if it shows signs of slippage ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:22:05 GMT -5
Is that big dark thing in the oil metal ? If so that is a big piece and should not be there. If it is metal , can u take it out of the oil , clean it off and take a pic from a few angles ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:31:39 GMT -5
Rcq aludded towards oil pump. I would take it out and inspect it. It should turn freely " oil pump "after you remove it . its a possibility it is broken and not turning freely holding the engine back. I'd be surprised if that's the issue however its something you should check. I'm still not convinced its not the starter gear. I'm sort of stump as to where the big metal pieces are coming from . I would expect bearing noise is the chunks came from the crank bearings. Also is the metal dark or silver ? The starter clutch gear is dark and the metal could be coming from the inner part of the gear that catches the clutch sprags.
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:41:35 GMT -5
Ok so i know it took awhile (shouldnt have ordered the tool from china ) But here's what it looks like, i don't see anything wrong except that the gasket is ripped, but most likely from me removing it There was alot if little black Specs in the oil, which was brand new and never run  In this pic , how much of the gear is making contact with the starter? Not the starter clutch gear but the other smaller gears at the top left ? |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:43:32 GMT -5
Can u post a pic of the inside of the side cover you removed ?
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:49:28 GMT -5
If you not making good contact with the starter , pull up on the crankshaft and towards the starter, see if you have play .
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 12, 2016 22:53:34 GMT -5
From that pic , it looks like the starter teeth are far from the smaller gear .which would mean , somehow the crank is off center , which could create a bined. Which would cause your issue
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Post by murkyapricot on Feb 14, 2016 12:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 14, 2016 20:28:42 GMT -5
If you could post one more pic of the starter gear , but from the side. The rollers " sprags" grab the outside of the part that sticks out. That's where the slippage would occur. Thanks
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Post by murkyapricot on Feb 14, 2016 21:20:09 GMT -5
Im confused as to what you guys are referring to "sprangs"
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Post by rcq92130 on Feb 14, 2016 21:42:46 GMT -5
iN YOUR PIC --- THEY ARE THE LITTLE HOCKEY PUCKS INSIDE THE CLUTCH. oops - sorry about the caps There are 3 in your clutch. When the starter motor spins the sprags are pressed INWARD toward the crankshaft. This pushes them against the part of the gear that sticks inside the clutch, and binds the clutch (and starter motor) to the gear, which turns the crankshaft ... When the starter motor is NOT spinning they retreat AWAY from the crankshaft so when the crankshaft spins it doesn't turn the gear (or starter motor)  George - what's that thing inside Mark's clutch?   |
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 15, 2016 20:08:08 GMT -5
That piece presses against the sprag, it must have a spring of some sort behind it. There are one behind each sprag.
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 15, 2016 20:11:18 GMT -5
If you look at the gear "starter clutch gear " , the back side slides into the starter clutch . those sprags make contact with the part that slides into the starter clutch and grabs ahold of the gear when the started spins the gear forward. That's why we need a pic of the gear from the side , so we can see if the sprags were slipping. There would be a groove in that part of the gear. I wish I could find mine so I can show you .
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