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Post by brandon667 on Nov 19, 2015 0:15:38 GMT -5
What size and type is the bolt so i know what to ask for.. Do research and tell me for my tao tao 50cc scoot 2014 model. Its not a regular bolt its a long one for muffler.. Got a vibratin problem from it.
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 19, 2015 8:20:58 GMT -5
Thats your Exhaust Stud, A Nut goes on it is 6mm They Love to Vibrate loose, Most Likely Leaking Exhaust now. Be Careful Not to Over tighten as you Will Break the Fragile Undersized Stud. A Lock-Nut will Work Beter than a Nut with a Washer and Lock Washer.
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Post by lain on Nov 19, 2015 11:39:27 GMT -5
Thats your Exhaust Stud, A Nut goes on it is 6mm They Love to Vibrate loose, Most Likely Leaking Exhaust now. Be Careful Not to Over tighten as you Will Break the Fragile Undersized Stud. A Lock-Nut will Work Beter than a Nut with a Washer and Lock Washer. What do you mean it is 6mm? Isn't that smaller than the one in the picture? Every exhaust nut I've ever encountered was 10mm. Chinese, japanese, italian, doesn't matter the make it's always 10mm. Plus the head doesn't matter, it's the threads on the inside that count.
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 19, 2015 14:52:45 GMT -5
Thats your Exhaust Stud, A Nut goes on it is 6mm They Love to Vibrate loose, Most Likely Leaking Exhaust now. Be Careful Not to Over tighten as you Will Break the Fragile Undersized Stud. A Lock-Nut will Work Beter than a Nut with a Washer and Lock Washer. What do you mean it is 6mm? Isn't that smaller than the one in the picture? Every exhaust nut I've ever encountered was 10mm. Chinese, japanese, italian, doesn't matter the make it's always 10mm. Plus the head doesn't matter, it's the threads on the inside that count. You Use a 10MM Wrench or Socket ,That Has Nothing to Do with The Stud/Thread Size. In Any language. You Contradicted yourself there. as in What Wrench you use then it doesn't matter? huh? If he goes to the "Nut Store" and Buys a 10MM Nut it will be Too Big. He needs to get a 6mm Nut and Appropriate Lock/Washers. This is Sold By the BAG for the GY-6 in E-bay I have Seen some 8mm Stud Up-Grades because this is a Weak Link. But OE should be 6mm
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Nov 19, 2015 16:06:22 GMT -5
i don't recommend a nylon type of lock nut on exhaust studs. double nutting with maybe a lock washer inbetween them would probably be better. if ran too long without a nut will most likely cause gasket failure.
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Post by lain on Nov 19, 2015 16:28:57 GMT -5
What do you mean it is 6mm? Isn't that smaller than the one in the picture? Every exhaust nut I've ever encountered was 10mm. Chinese, japanese, italian, doesn't matter the make it's always 10mm. Plus the head doesn't matter, it's the threads on the inside that count. You Use a 10MM Wrench or Socket ,That Has Nothing to Do with The Stud/Thread Size. In Any language. You Contradicted yourself there. as in What Wrench you use then it doesn't matter? huh? If he goes to the "Nut Store" and Buys a 10MM Nut it will be Too Big. He needs to get a 6mm Nut and Appropriate Lock/Washers. This is Sold By the BAG for the GY-6 in E-bay I have Seen some 8mm Stud Up-Grades because this is a Weak Link. But OE should be 6mm I have plenty of heads, no 6mm bolt fits them... Unless I am misunderstanding you you are saying 6mm threads work with the exhaust threads, but the stud themselves have 8m threads when checking them at lowes. They do not fit past the first turn on the 6mm slot and even then it strips part of the stud getting it in there... Either way the best thing for brandon667 to do is go back to lowe's, bring the extra nut he has, fit them to the measurement plaque thing, and buy new nuts and a couple crusher rings like that come stock. Maybe his are different, what works for % of people may not work for 100% of people...
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 19, 2015 18:39:55 GMT -5
You Use a 10MM Wrench or Socket ,That Has Nothing to Do with The Stud/Thread Size. In Any language. You Contradicted yourself there. as in What Wrench you use then it doesn't matter? huh? If he goes to the "Nut Store" and Buys a 10MM Nut it will be Too Big. He needs to get a 6mm Nut and Appropriate Lock/Washers. This is Sold By the BAG for the GY-6 in E-bay I have Seen some 8mm Stud Up-Grades because this is a Weak Link. But OE should be 6mm I have plenty of heads, no 6mm bolt fits them... Unless I am misunderstanding you you are saying 6mm threads work with the exhaust threads, but the stud themselves have 8m threads when checking them at lowes. They do not fit past the first turn on the 6mm slot and even then it strips part of the stud getting it in there... Either way the best thing for brandon667 to do is go back to lowe's, bring the extra nut he has, fit them to the measurement plaque thing, and buy new nuts and a couple crusher rings like that come stock. Maybe his are different, what works for % of people may not work for 100% of people... Its 6MM, just took a second with the Carpenters tool to measure Were and How are you measuring the nut or stud?
Thats a OE Acorn Nut in 6mm.
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Post by tvnacman on Nov 19, 2015 20:11:44 GMT -5
they are 6mm, here is a kit I put together it sells great. John
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Post by lain on Nov 19, 2015 20:12:10 GMT -5
I have plenty of heads, no 6mm bolt fits them... Unless I am misunderstanding you you are saying 6mm threads work with the exhaust threads, but the stud themselves have 8m threads when checking them at lowes. They do not fit past the first turn on the 6mm slot and even then it strips part of the stud getting it in there... Either way the best thing for brandon667 to do is go back to lowe's, bring the extra nut he has, fit them to the measurement plaque thing, and buy new nuts and a couple crusher rings like that come stock. Maybe his are different, what works for % of people may not work for 100% of people... Its 6MM, just took a second with the Carpenters tool to measure Were and How are you measuring the nut or stud?
Thats a OE Acorn Nut in 6mm. I've only mentioned it about a dozen times now in this and the other thread he made for this issue. Lowe's, it's a hardware store. It looks like this and is mounted in numerous places in the nuts and bolts isles. How you use it is you take your nut or bolt and screw it in to the various studs and holes to find the right size. The size that is right is the one that smoothly screws in all the way down, a wrong size will be hard to turn or not turn at all or will strip the threads. Your carpenters tool is facing the wrong way... It seems in the picture you just stuck the nut ontop of is and set the gap between the tool on the bottom where you do the measuring to 6mm and called it a day...
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Post by scooter on Nov 20, 2015 1:39:39 GMT -5
ON MEASURING NUTS AND BOLTS:
Just to clarify, because all of this talk of measuring and carpenter's tools is confusing me, and I assume it will confuse others, and since I've done a a little work with threads, I'll lay it out for the layman. This is useful because you can't always take a bolt with you to the store.
That is a machinist's tool called a caliper, or calipers. Its not just for machinists but it's a standard machinist's tool and can measure inside, outside, depth, and step measurements on 8 different surfaces.
Threads are measured by two things, diameter and "pitch" or the distance between the threads. (There's more to threads but this is all you need to buy most bolts and nuts.) A 6mm x 1.0 means 6mm outside diameter, and 1.0 mm between threads.
Obviously a 6mm x 1.0 bolt won't fit with a 6mm 0.75 nut. Because it would be difficult to measure the difference between a 0.75 and a 1.0 thread directly, it's easier to measure several threads and divide that measurement by the number of threads. i.e. count 10 threads, measure that distance, then divide the measurement by 10. If the disatance between the tops of ten threads is 10mm, then you have a 10/10=1.0mm pitch. If it were a 0.75 pitch, ten threads would measure 7.5mm.
To measure a nut, use a bolt that works in it and figure the size and pitch of that bolt, or use a thread gauge, or do it manually as above, which is generally difficult to do, but can be done in a pinch. I think standard sizes for a 6mm are 1.0 and 0.75, and for an 8mm bolt the standard sizes are 1.0 and 1.25. The good news is that the size of the hole in the nut will be approximately the diameter of the bolt - the pitch, so a 6mm x 1.0 nut should have an inside diameter of about 5mm.
The reason measuring is useful is because sometimes you can't take a bolt with you, or because the nut or bolt threads are damaged and won't fit the correct bolt or nut they belong with. If you force them into the gauges at the stores you could damage the gauge or the fastener you have.
If anyone would like for me to do a write up on it and post it somewhere I'll be glad to, along with diagrams and pictures. It makes figuring out the sizes easy and also is good for tapping and dieing threads. I may have even done one already, I don't recall. I'll also cover inch size nuts and bolts as well.
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Post by scooter on Nov 20, 2015 1:50:00 GMT -5
Thats your Exhaust Stud, A Nut goes on it is 6mm They Love to Vibrate loose, Most Likely Leaking Exhaust now. Be Careful Not to Over tighten as you Will Break the Fragile Undersized Stud. A Lock-Nut will Work Beter than a Nut with a Washer and Lock Washer. What do you mean it is 6mm? Isn't that smaller than the one in the picture? Every exhaust nut I've ever encountered was 10mm. Chinese, japanese, italian, doesn't matter the make it's always 10mm. Plus the head doesn't matter, it's the threads on the inside that count. I think on my 150 they were 6mm, which I tapped out to 8mm, and on my 250 I think they are 8mm.
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 20, 2015 7:06:10 GMT -5
What do you mean it is 6mm? Isn't that smaller than the one in the picture? Every exhaust nut I've ever encountered was 10mm. Chinese, japanese, italian, doesn't matter the make it's always 10mm. Plus the head doesn't matter, it's the threads on the inside that count. I think on my 150 they were 6mm, which I tapped out to 8mm, and on my 250 I think they are 8mm. The Above is Correct. ALL 50-150 will be 6mm, The Upgrade for the Problem is 8mm, Many 150 Big Valve Heads come With 8mm Studs. pic is coming Here is a Fake Hot Rod Head with 8mm Studs.
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 20, 2015 7:31:46 GMT -5
Its 6MM, just took a second with the Carpenters tool to measure Were and How are you measuring the nut or stud?
Thats a OE Acorn Nut in 6mm. I've only mentioned it about a dozen times now in this and the other thread he made for this issue. Lowe's, it's a hardware store. It looks like this and is mounted in numerous places in the nuts and bolts isles. How you use it is you take your nut or bolt and screw it in to the various studs and holes to find the right size. The size that is right is the one that smoothly screws in all the way down, a wrong size will be hard to turn or not turn at all or will strip the threads. Your carpenters tool is facing the wrong way... It seems in the picture you just stuck the nut ontop of is and set the gap between the tool on the bottom where you do the measuring to 6mm and called it a day... Wrong Way? Huh? How Else do YOU Measure the Inside Diameter of a Nut? Those Are Jaws on Top the Carpenters Tool to Measure Inside Diameter. Since you have So Many Cylinder Heads Around Show Us Your Measurement Please The Illustration Picture is Correctly Measuring the Inside Diameter of the Nut Less the Thread Depth, 6mm The Outside Diameter of the Stud is 6mm. All 50-150 GY-6 OE Stud's/Nuts are 6mm This Poster gotta be So Confused by now he bought half a hardware store. I/ Just Measure the Dmn thing. jeez
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Post by ricardoguitars on Nov 20, 2015 7:54:57 GMT -5
I think on my 150 they were 6mm, which I tapped out to 8mm, and on my 250 I think they are 8mm. The Above is Correct. ALL 50-150 will be 6mm, The Upgrade for the Problem is 8mm, Many 150 Big Valve Heads come With 8mm Studs. pic is coming Here is a Fake Hot Rod Head with 8mm Studs. Yeppers, my stock 125cc came with 6mm, the big valve head upgrade came with 8mm.
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Post by pistonguy on Nov 20, 2015 8:26:49 GMT -5
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