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Post by horace on Oct 8, 2015 20:01:52 GMT -5
Well I have a dilema yet again..... Today I rode my little scoot to the local post office. Droped off this months bills to be sent out. Now I am nursing what will be a Black Eye. Killer headache I may have deserved this--- Your poinion ?? I was on my little 50cc--- Honked the SUV for going the wrong way in a 1 way lot..... Not really a big deal but, I did give the finger to the SUV driver as other folkes were going the correct direction... This would prove to be my mistake. Anyway, I pulled out and this young man followed me... I was on MLK waiting for traffic to clear so I could turn left.... SUV driver gets behind me. The SUV driver Threw an empty bottle of water striking me in the head.... OK, Cool issue over, No big deal....... I go on my way... Silly situation with no harm done, Move along......... Well, I go about my business and park at a local convienience store to get some milk and an energy drink..... Guess who pulls up next to me..... Indeed the White SUV followed me for almost 3 miles.... Some words were exchanged and now I am the proud owner of a Black Eye, Busted lip and bleeding elbow..... Seems a piece of tooth is also missing..... The store is going to provide the video footage of this maniac who sucker punched me, got back in his car and ran..... My dilema--- what would you do with CCTV footage of someone attacking YOU ? I will be fine but, this guy is still on the road... Funny thing is I don't remember making a purchase---- I went in for milk and a energy drink..... I got home with 2 beers  ?? No worries but, not what I intended Seems silly but, I think I was knocked out because some roid raging silly goose was unable to follow the road rules...... What would you do if attacked... I am inclined to let it be..... Although I could take other actions, I wouldn't even know were to begin. Oh well... Life happens and some folks are just crazy |
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 8, 2015 22:40:44 GMT -5
I would report him. Esp with video of him. Call the cops, tell them just like you did here. Technically you did instigate it with the finger, but he escalated it with assault (throwing the water bottle), then more assault (the beating) Admit you should've kept your fingers on your handles, but point out this guy went ballistic over it and WAY over-reacted. Some serious anger management issues there.
You never know, next time he might go after a 16-year-old with a new DL. Or a mom with kids. And he might not stop at fists but escalate again to a gun. For the safety of other innocents, you must report the guy.
It'll probably go to civil court. Be sure to take photos right now while things are most colorful. And ask the store for a copy of the video. Then call the cops first thing tom.
Hope you feel better soon. Good luck getting crazy-guy off the street. Keep us posted!
>'Kat
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Post by ricardoguitars on Oct 8, 2015 23:49:06 GMT -5
I went in for milk and a energy drink..... I got home with 2 beers ?? Not like that's a bad thing, the beating did you well  Sorry, bad joke  I agree with Kat, the more wackos we can put out of the road, the better for everyone. It's very hard to keep your cool when you get involved in that kind of situations, but if you do manage to do so, it makes you a better person; people tend to show the worst part of them when they get behind the wheel, the roads turn into a jungle of selfishness and inflated egos, I have seen people turn from nice people to the craziest nut job you can think of when they get behind the wheel. Part of my job is to visit customers to do demos and answer questions about products we sell, as I'm not able yet to ride my scooter and my Land Rover is down into pieces right now, I've been visiting our customers along with one of the sales guys on his car, this guy is the WORST driver I've ever seen, he's a nice guy at the office, but as soon as he starts his car he turns into a psycho, speeding, cutting off everyone in his path, tailgating, running red lights, shouting horrible things to the other drivers; I've seen him brake almost every single road rule on the book, I had to ask my boss to hire a cab to help me visit the customers to avoid getting on this dude's car, I'm sure he is even worst when he is driving alone, he was "holding it" because I was there and we don't know each other very well yet, people like that shouldn't be allowed to drive, I'm all up for a psychological test to be able to get a driver license. |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 9, 2015 7:27:57 GMT -5
Someone committed assault and battery on you with intent to cause bodily harm in front of witnesses along with getting caught on video and nobody called the police and reported the crime? You were physically assaulted and harmed by an assailant so there is a need to file at least a police report so they can track him down and charge him with his crime and you should be consulting an attorney about whether you should be pursuing a civil case against this person for assaulting you and causing physical harm.
Yes you were wrong to assault him with an obscene gesture however criminal assault and battery on your person is not a permissible response and should not be allowed to go unpunished in the courts.
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 9, 2015 7:37:51 GMT -5
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Post by ricardoguitars on Oct 9, 2015 10:48:57 GMT -5
Exactly!  |
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Post by spandi on Oct 9, 2015 12:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 9, 2015 22:53:56 GMT -5
Wow. I read the synopsis, and I never picked up on any of that. I thought it was a story against giving potentially dangerous people a license to kill--I mean, drive. Now I'll have to re-read the story again and see if it's really about dictactorship and control over The People, or if my impression was right.
You know, folks read all sorts of nonsense into stuff. Check out art analysis sometime if you want a chuckle.
>'Kat
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Post by spandi on Oct 9, 2015 23:57:02 GMT -5
Wow. I read the synopsis, and I never picked up on any of that. I thought it was a story against giving potentially dangerous people a license to kill--I mean, drive. Now I'll have to re-read the story again and see if it's really about dictactorship and control over The People, or if my impression was right. You know, folks read all sorts of nonsense into stuff. Check out art analysis sometime if you want a chuckle. >'Kat It got me to thinkin' too Kat, but remember, like the summary pointed out, he only signed the document AFTER they told him what had happened wasn't real.  |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 10, 2015 0:21:52 GMT -5
Horace, have a bone for taking your lumps!
It would be good to get this guy off the street, but it's not likely to happen. You already have an enemy in this guy. Most likely, action against him will infuriate him to the point of homicide. I doubt he's the forgetting kind, and you need to watch out when riding. You've become "fair game" for him.
Many jurisdictions look at scooter-riders like they do women who get assaulted... "The gal was asking for it in that mini-skirt"... "The guy was asking for it riding that scooter"... SO wrong, but SO common.
I've let it drop concerning the guy who tried to do me in on my scoot. It's all a matter of just how much of a feud you're willing to take on. Let the guy off, and he'll do that to anyone. Press it, and he'll be stalking you at a redlight from behind. It's a lose-lose scenario whichever way you go.
Personally, I'd hope his next victim is a "Chuck Norris". As a Christian I try VERY hard to NOT hate the person, only hate what they do... It's not always easy. One thing I am adamant about though is not to give anybody the bird... NO matter HOW much they deserve it. Around here, THAT is guaranteed to start a gunfight INSTANTLY.
And, an SUV ramming a scooter is like a train ramming a car. Talk about a SUCKER-PUNCH! Ouch!!! Your scooter is going to lose.
Whatever course you choose, be VERY watchful from now on... You have made an enemy.
Stay safe,
Leo
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Post by rockynv on Oct 10, 2015 8:02:00 GMT -5
I guess my reaction would be different since I don't cuss or make obscene gestures and being a 6' tall size 50 with a 37 inch waist in mostly race gear (Kevlar Full Face Helmet, Armored Jacket, Leather/Carbon Fiber Gloves, Armored Jeans with Leather Mid Height Boots) on a scooter that many mistake for a sport bike I am generally given a wide berth. At work I had to deal with the initial impression of being the "Scary Big Guy" that people who do not know me would get when I walked into a room and had to slow down and try to be less imposing even when gesturing or talking emphatically. My work partner will pull me aside and warn me with a "Do you know that you are frightening people?" when I am being too intense I guess may be a way to put it. If I ever back slapped someone with my gloves which I rarely take off even when stopping they would do enough damage to be considered a weapon so I would be reluctant to take that route and the Kevlar Helmet would do some damage to any hand that tried to make it into the face opening.   Anyways I am not sure if the guy would have gotten away if he had tried to hit me and would already be in jail since I make it a point to be known to the local police as I take the time to talk to them and thank them for doing such a good job whenever the opportunity arises so they know me and we have somewhat of a relationship. I also worked as a Police and Prison Consultant and with the Joint Chiefs so my record and prints are on file with the FBI and in the system so that would probably come up when they run my id. Dad also took the time to pass on some Army Ranger training but that is a last resort since those methods usually result in your attacker being neutralized with an injury requiring a cast or a dislocation requiring resetting as the goal is crippling the assailant so that they can not resume the attack. It become automatic once engaged so we were taught not to go there unless there was no other way out. |
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Post by JR on Oct 10, 2015 10:33:24 GMT -5
I would say this is an understatement?
I would indeed agree this was your mistake and while attacking someone is against the law in lot's of places this action is also.
My dad taught me if you're going to get something started then you need to be able to handle what comes with it. In this case you flipped off someone who was doing something that actually had no effect on what you were doing or caused you no problems or harm. It's the law enforcement's job to take action when things are wrong and it would have been just as easy to call the police on this SUV and kept your finger to yourself, you got the ball rolling simply by flipping off this guy. Had you not you wouldn't have a black eye and be telling it here.
You asked about what to do? Take it as a lesson learned that some people don't like being flipped off which unless you live under a rock we all know what it means and keep it to yourself when on the road. Road rage in this instance was started by you and you got the bad end of the deal for starting it.
JR
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Post by bandito2 on Oct 10, 2015 20:02:23 GMT -5
I disagree. The SUV instigated the whole incident first by trying to take a short cut by going the wrong way on a one way. In hind sight I don't see evidence that this guy did that by accident. Do something stupid (intentionally) and you should expect people to point it out to you. (often with that one finger) He screwed up first, should have taken the rebuke that he knew he probably deserved and just moved on. OK so the A-hole throws a bottle or what ever at you after he stalked you... pretty bad right there. Then with him pulling up next you at the store, I would have been off the bike in a split second and calling the cops right away... even if he didn't seem to be doing anything right at that moment. And I would not have uttered a word except to say that the police are on their way if the SUV guy said ANYTHING. Press for the video. It is exactly just this sort of thing why people wear cameras when they ride. Sure it would have shown the bit where you were pointing out that it was a one way with one finger, but it would also have shown the reckless endangerment, littering, stalking and aggravated assault by the SUV guy. The guy is a danger and needs to be off the road. About the "Test" story summary study questions. The second question; "Where does this story take place?" made me laugh because the answer that immediately popped into mind was - The DMV in the Twilight Zone.   |
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Post by JR on Oct 11, 2015 12:14:15 GMT -5
I disagree. The SUV instigated the whole incident first by trying to take a short cut by going the wrong way on a one way. In hind sight I don't see evidence that this guy did that by accident. Do something stupid (intentionally) and you should expect people to point it out to you. (often with that one finger) He screwed up first, should have taken the rebuke that he knew he probably deserved and just moved on. OK so the A-hole throws a bottle or what ever at you after he stalked you... pretty bad right there. Then with him pulling up next you at the store, I would have been off the bike in a split second and calling the cops right away... even if he didn't seem to be doing anything right at that moment. And I would not have uttered a word except to say that the police are on their way if the SUV guy said ANYTHING. Press for the video. It is exactly just this sort of thing why people wear cameras when they ride. Sure it would have shown the bit where you were pointing out that it was a one way with one finger, but it would also have shown the reckless endangerment, littering, stalking and aggravated assault by the SUV guy. The guy is a danger and needs to be off the road. About the "Test" story summary study questions. The second question; "Where does this story take place?" made me laugh because the answer that immediately popped into mind was - The DMV in the Twilight Zone. Let's review his statement: If it's not a big deal to him then why is he flipping him off? Secondly he was in a parking lot which is private property not going down a freeway where someone could get killed for this kind of stupidity. I don't see any evidence that he did it on purpose, maybe he was lost? Since I along with anyone replying here are not mind readers we don't have a clue as to why he did it, none....but we do know that by the OP own words he assumed that the guy was doing it on purpose and thus flipped him off "starting" the chain reaction of events. I'm still betting he doesn't know why he did it but he does know why he got his black eye? May have not caused the problem that later occurred? Again we don't know because we are not mind readers? I'm also betting he wouldn't be wondering about this had he kept his finger to himself? JR |
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Post by geh3333 on Oct 11, 2015 16:39:45 GMT -5
Someone who actually throws something at someone from a vehicle will get wreckless endangerment " if able to be proven " next , when someone actually goes as far as to do what he did "just because he got flipped off " is a little unstable and should be delt with " especially if u have the video" . Remember he was the idiot who can't read signs and endangering lives.
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